London Bridge Incident

Greebo · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:11

amigafan2003 said:
I doubt it would delay the election.

I suspect it might. All campaigning will be cancelled for a few days which would take you right up to the election.

jjwf · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:11

Evian said:
Gotta love it when people compare Muslim terrorists to the IRA.

Principals are exactly the same except, we have mosque's in this country where its happening everyday and the certain sections of the muslim community are doing nothing about it.

The_Abyss · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:13

The response from the police and emergency services seems, so far, to have been swift and well-rehearsed. Tough to do a job like that in circumstances like this, but they appear to be doing it very well.

Akmeeda · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:13

Dis86 said:
No. Im literally saying he doesnt know what this guy is thinking. Youre the one who made the sarcatic comment about thought police and yet are now saying he knows exactly what his friend is thinking.

I'm saying he has a better idea of what his friend is thinking than you do. You don't know him. You've never met him. And yet you are assuming that he is thinking radical thoughts simply because he is Muslim.

Why should normal peaceful people have to defend themselves against thoughts they aren't even having due to the actions of a minority group?

jjwf · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:14

muon said:
Okay. Keep your secret evidence to yourself.

Btw I have evidence that the moon landings were fake. You should believe me.

Of course the moon landings where fake, just like all muslims are innocent and do not hide what is going on within their own mosque's.

teaboy5 · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:15

Evian said:
Gotta love it when people compare Muslim terrorists to the IRA.

The IRA done some nasty things over here, but of course it wasn't England so no doubt you weren't interested

One such example is them running wire across street in a bid to remove heads of soldiers out on patrol in the jeeps.

Trusty · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:15

Dis86 said:
Not really. One large group is easy to track. Smaller discrete cells arent.

I disagree, this is why AQ, MA, Taliban, IS & AI were nowhere near as prolific as they seem to be at the moment.

Rincewindle · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:15

Thing is this kind of incident will keep going on and on.

we are getting a sanitised reporting of this incident and all the others

turned on aljazeera news and they have actual footage of the white van up a wall. and people being treated on the floor.

BBC and SKY showing nothing like that and maybe they should.

People need to see the horror of these attacks then maybe something will get done

Above&Beyond · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:15

muon said:
The Manchester guy was reported by muslims multiple times.

So please provide evidence to the contrary.

Extremist behaviour by definition is a minority. You don't deal with it by generalising.

No one is saying this gets ignored.

You simply don't ban a religion.

He was known to police for minor crimes, he wasn't known to prevent.

FoxEye · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:16

jjwf said:
It will never happen, ISIS will turn in to something else and it will continue and will continue to be supported by certain sections of the muslim community within the UK & the rest of the world.

I suppose what's important is the % of the muslim community that condone violence in the name of islam.

There will always be a-holes in society. A small number of white men will be neo-nazis. A small number of people will be kiddy fiddlers. A small number of muslims will have terrorist sympathies.

So long as the % really is small, there's nothing more you can do bar what we're already doing. Surveilling the people we believe are involved with extremism, and letting everybody else get on with their lives.

The question is, and here I don't know what to believe, what % of the muslim community is prepared to justify some form of violence in the name of their religion. And here I'm not just talking about terrorism. How many support spreading islam via violence - eg, islamic revolution in secular countries... etc, etc.

I'm hopeful that most muslims condemn ISIS and their brand of barbarity. But how many muslims would support islamic revolution in this country if there were a good chance of success?

I genuinely don't know, but it bothers me.

Dis86 · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:16

Akmeeda said:
I'm saying he has a better idea of what his friend is thinking than you do. You don't know him. You've never met him. And yet you are assuming that he is thinking radical thoughts simply because he is Muslim.

Why should normal peaceful people have to defend themselves against thoughts they aren't even having due to the actions of a minority group?

I'll repeat since you're struggling, I haven't assumed he's having any thoughts. You and him however are both assuming he's not having thoughts. Im the one pointing out you or him have no clue at all what his thoughts are.

jjwf · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:16

Trusty said:
Yea, fine, but at least you can take out basically an army of these people, if they seperate into smaller groups, that's better than one large group

No, smaller groups are worse than a large group, you have a chance of infiltrating a large group much less so a small group.

Trusty · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:17

jjwf said:
No, smaller groups are worse than a large group, you have a chance of infiltrating a large group much less so a small group.

Read my above comment.

muon · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:17

Dis86 said:
I'll repeat since you're struggling, I haven't assumed he's having any thoughts. You and him however are both assuming he's not having thoughts. Im the one pointing out you or him have no clue at all what his thoughts are.

Well fortunately it's sheer probability that the guy isn't a terrorist.

So the onus is on you.

jjwf · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:18

FoxEye said:
I suppose what's important is the % of the muslim community that condone violence in the name of islam.

There will always be a-holes in society. A small number of white men will be neo-nazis. A small number of people will be kiddy fiddlers. A small number of muslims will have terrorist sympathies.

So long as the % really is small, there's nothing more you can do bar what we're already doing. Surveilling the people we believe are involved with extremism, and letting everybody else get on with their lives.

The question is, and here I don't know what to believe, what % of the muslim community is prepared to justify some form of violence in the name of their religion. And here I'm not just talking about terrorism. How many support spreading islam via violence - eg, islamic revolution in secular countries... etc, etc.

I'm hopeful that most muslims condemn ISIS and their brand of barbarity. But how many muslims would support islamic revolution in this country if there were a good chance of success?

I genuinely don't know, but it bothers me.

A lot of them might not condone the killing but they will want changes to the way of life in western countries so will support groups in monetary & other ways.

Dis86 · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:19

muon said:
Well fortunately it's sheer probability that the guy isn't a terrorist.

So the onus is on you.

However that doesnt mean he doesnt have terrorist sympathies, does it?

[FnG]magnolia · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:21

Dis86 said:
However that doesnt mean he doesnt have terrorist sympathies, does it?

Do you understand the argument of evidence?

antijoke · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:21

****, two incidents now in London.....just turned the news back on..

muon · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:22

Dis86 said:
However that doesnt mean he doesnt have terrorist sympathies, does it?

If you ask people a straight question, without any hidden agenda using leading questions, for example,

"Do you condone today's actions"

again I repeat that probability will be completely against you.

Akmeeda · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:24

Dis86 said:
However that doesnt mean he doesnt have terrorist sympathies, does it?

Here you are again assuming what he is thinking simply due to him being Muslim.

And you think you need to slow it down for me :rolleyes:

. Get a grip.

Majority of muslims are normal people without these radical thoughts that you are so insistent on.