London Bridge Incident

McstylisT said:
No because it's Crime, not carnage. It's an issue but not related this this issue.
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hang on you you think the level of crime is what makes people know its about to happen?

like i said you are just as unaware of crimes perpetrated by people on this forum as the other members of the mosque are about the terrorists actions.


We need to be clear on who and what we need to concentrate on to fix this.
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which so far you've narrowed down to innocent people who happen to have spent time in the same room as the attacker?
 
Screeeech said:
Well to be fair to him, he's mayor of a city which is now a huge terror target, the chickens have come home to roost - and he's left with a decrepit police force - a police force that was decimated by Theresa May as Home Secretary.
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FACT CHECK: Counter-terrorist spending has gone up.
 
Tefal said:
probably should interrogate them as it will let them know they're on the list and being monitored thus giving upo vital information gathering abilities.

but just to be clear you are saying you'd be ok being one of the people locked up and delt with in due time?
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To be clear - I don't care about the feelings of people who are on the watch list. The government said after Manchester some 200-300 of those on the list are being actively investigated due to resource limitations, so presumably the remaining 90% are free to go about their daily business.

I don't want the UK to be in a cycle of never ending attacks by these people. The strategy employed currently isn't working.
 
Omaeka said:
As we can't fight back or get angry otherwise we are being racists, so just pop a candle, shed a tear and wait for the next one.
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What fighting back do you want the population to do? Burn mosques, hang suspected terrorists from trees? Please elaborate.

And you really do make yourself look an idiot by criticising people for showing support and sympathy for the dead and injured
 
JBuk said:
If you or a family member is on the list because you may have a link to somebody else on the watch list then you'd be fine being locked up?
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It doesn't quite work like that. You have to go to quite some lengths to end up on the terrorist watch list. You have to be quite active in that "scene". Not just be a relative.
 
b0redj0rd said:
To be clear - I don't care about the feelings of people who are on the watch list.
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You don't know you aren't on the watch list through some tenuous links. That's the point being made. Would you be happy being detained until people could be reasonably certain you weren't a risk?
 
b0redj0rd said:
To be clear - I don't care about the feelings of people who are on the watch list. The government said after Manchester some 200-300 of those on the list are being actively investigated due to resource limitations, so presumably the remaining 90% are free to go about their daily business.

I don't want the UK to be in a cycle of never ending attacks by these people. The strategy employed currently isn't working.
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ok so if you want to talk stratagey (and dodge the question of f it affected you personally)

what dom you think is going to happen to thousands of people you lock up in detention centers (lock them up with real extremists it must be pointed out) violate their rights and privacy, harass thier family members etc when they get out?

i mean this could take years to sort through in that time the real radicals have a huge captive audience to convert.

by the end of your detention program the number of high risk individuals wouldnt be a few hundred but thousands.

then how do you word this law?

i mean do you just make it legal for the government to detain anyone for any length?

cause being "on the terror list" is pretty vague the requirements for the list could be changed to suit the negative motives of a future government
 
Nothing is going to change until foreign policy is re-looked at along with wealth equality.

Maybe open up youth centres again give the kids something to do instead of listening to hate.
 
Screeeech said:
I don't care what has gone up or down according to any of your bs.
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well to be fair if you want to make an argument while ignoring facts then you're going to end up making a dubious one

there wasn't a lack of personnel available to respond to this incident after all and Scorza is correct to point out that terror funding has increased, so using this attack to moan a bit about austerity is a bit dubious
 
Caged said:
Well it was you who called it the main issue, I don't agree. It's certainly an issue, but nobody really knows where to begin solving it. Lots of angry thumb-people like to claim that now is the time for action, but can't really decide what that action should be, other than making sure people know that they aren't liberal and don't agree with people saying "well hang on now you can't just put everybody in a camp".
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Nobody is disputing all those issue you and tefal post are not real issues.

It's the motive, it's the reasonings that lead me to feel that terrorisum in England is it's main issue now.

I just can't understand why you would bring up other terrible facts about other innocents to attempt to drain last nights pigish, sick , cowardly actions seem less important. It's a form of appologisum. Drip feeding of what the left say we can and can't say. We can say the truth and we need to if we are ever to combat this.
 
SPG said:
Nothing is going to change until foreign policy is re-looked at along with wealth equality.

Maybe open up youth centres again give the kids something to do instead of listening to hate.
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Yeah, forget Islamism, it is clearly 'wealth inequality' that is to blame...
 
Nasher post: 30847236 said:
It doesn't quite work like that. You have to go to quite some lengths to end up on the terrorist watch list. You have to be quite active in that "scene".
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Ahh, this is getting to the heart of the issue. Do you have anything to show that's the case?

I'm genuinely interested, as I would imagine if we had evidence against someone they wouldn't be on a list, they would be arrested

There's a lot of miss-conceptions about what Muslims think of these people, they aren't all sympathisers. Most of the people that get reported get reported by other Muslims.
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Yep

Edit : oh, why did you delete the second part of your post?
 
dowie said:
well to be fair if you want to make an argument while ignoring facts then you're going to end up making a dubious one

there wasn't a lack of personnel available to respond to this incident after all and Scorza is correct to point out that terror funding has increased, so using this attack to moan a bit about austerity is a bit dubious
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I don't care
 
Screeeech said:
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I don't care what has gone up or down according to any of your bs.
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Oh right but you'll quite happily take the opportunity this terror attack presents to have a go at the government as if cuts to the police would have made any difference to the 2017 summer of slaughter. Pathetic.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
I agree, actions speak louder than words.

Where are you getting your 35000 figure scorza?
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He's extrapolated it, farcically, on the basis Salman Abedi was on the "subjects of interest" bit of the watch list that has 23,000 people on it currently. It's a leap of logic comparable to if one of those 23,000 turned out to be a "nice guy" that there are 23,000 nice guys in the UK currently, but not sure that would suit his scaremongering agenda.

I challenged him on this in the Manchester thread but got no response.
 
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