London Bridge Incident

I wonder, do people here find this too extreme?

Yes but I also think in the long run we are going to have to take much more drastic action against certain elements where identified that previously there wasn't the political will or public support for if things are going to change. You can't just ignore the root of the issue and how it has unfolded elsewhere forever.
 
I wonder, do people here find this too extreme?

the first 3 points are unrealistic- if we knew this it wouldn't be an issue hence may's insistance that 1984 esque internet control will solve the problem (oh and also prevent kiddies minds being corrupted by porn, because that's important too!)

4th point sounds literally like the way the secret police works in (insert classical dictatorship here)

5th point is unrealistic unless he'd also concede that it should be extended to any mass murdering maniac regardless of motivation. as much as people hate the idea throwing people out isn't going to work and the prisons can only take so much- it would at least ease the system a little.

6th point is actually sensible.
 
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Take that with a pinch of salt, tories are liars on all fronts. And even if true cutting police is a threat to our security. She has a nerve to say Labour are a security threat.
Labour in their current form are a security threat. Jeremy Corbyn is the terrorists friend - shared a platform with hate preachers, wants to stop the police from doing what they did last night.
 
I have to say I'm really struggling to grasp the old generic response attitude to this.

London is strong. We will never give in to terrorism. Our way of life won't change.

... and all the rest of it.

Until it happens again, then rinse and repeat.

That's zero comfort to me, we're now starting to face a situation where we have to fight fire with fire. Even if that means the profiling of people in potential problem areas/religions/groups. Could that make it worse? Possibly, but it's already getting worse.

"Love" will not defeat this threat, it won't do anything really. I'm not even sure of the best way to proceed, but holding hands and hoping for the best is a hopeless attitude. Admittedly it's an incredibly difficult situation - one I don't think we'll ever get a handle on.

There weren't many other points in the post.

By fight fire with fire I mean we need a much stronger approach to the situation. Obviously I don't mean tackling it using the exact same tactics, just more severe ones, as the Prime Minister herself has suggested by saying we are too tolerant of Islamist Extremism. I think you've taken my post the wrong way.

What would your solution be?

What would you like to be done?

What if it doesn't stop, when will a line be drawn? What/where will that line be?

I suppose nobody knows at the moment.

Might sound simplistic but long term has to be education, education and more education at all levels. Short term I don't think anyone has all the answers and I think its best left to the experts.

Also I think its worth saying what a great advert for music, Manchester and people in general that the Manchester gig has such a great atmosphere. Superb.
 
Might sound simplistic but long term has to be education, education and more education at all levels. Short term I don't think anyone has all the answers and I think its best left to the experts.

Also I think its worth saying what a great advert for music, Manchester and people in general that the Manchester gig has such a great atmosphere. Superb.

Education is a good long term solution, but there are plenty of well educated people with warped ideologies. :(
 
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Labour in their current form are a security threat. Jeremy Corbyn is the terrorists friend - shared a platform with hate preachers, wants to stop the police from doing what they did last night.

Sadly they are only (and possibly can only) going to learn the hard way that some people can not be reasoned with.
 
This was 2015, shame it was seen as so controversial at the time. I imagine much of this will be back if May wins.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32013794

It's refreshing what is said in the video, shame we haven't heard much of this talk since.

That's because May's a talking-head and doesn't back anything up. Says what she thinks popular at time.

Although why she thought to announce the return of fox hunting is beyond me, powers gone to her head?
 
Shut down all mosques. If you don't like it, then leave.

Religion really sucks


Lol bigotry really sucks too. But yeh good luck shutting all mosques down. All that will do is send it underground where there will be more radicalism/extremism. so instead of trying to eradicate the problem, you exponentially increase more tensions.
 
No that's silly. What I meant is that the time for drastic changes that most people can think of right now has long long gone.
I would agree that the problem has been allowed to fester for far too long. Everyone was too worried about the 'OMGZZ racist/bigot' tag, but I suspect that viewpoint is starting to lose support. What to do now though without causing an absolute ****storm I have no idea.
Personally I think this can only be stopped from within the communities.
 
The first brave policeman on the scene was armed with a stick (baton) , faced with some Islamic brainwashed nutter wearing a suicide vest okay it was fake but he didn't know that and he was also carrying a ******* Bowie knife by all accounts.

all our cops should be routinely armed with a side arm as they are in places like Denmark and Germany.

I think they should at least carry stun guns.
 
Also I think its worth saying what a great advert for music, Manchester and people in general that the Manchester gig has such a great atmosphere. Superb.

I agree the Manchester gig is amazing, but there are sadly elements of our society that won't agree and will not want to partake.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/musl...am-forbids-playing-an-instrument-6487141.html

It's not terrorism, that is the small and extreme end. But bigger question is that there are fundamental differences of culture in the more devout side of the Muslim community. I really don't know if you try and do something about that or not, so difficult, but clearly we don't really stand together on what is normal modern British culture.
 
No that has been going on for 1400 years.

I suppose it's easy for youngsters who have never known any different to think this way, but many of us are old enough to remember the world before homegrown Islamic terrorism was a problem, and what changed in the interim.

Still have the Sunday Times complete Gulf War collectors edition pullout section with lots of maps and military hardware specs!
 
Education is a good long term solution, but there are plenty of well educated people with warped ideologies. :(

The majority aren't, I'm far from a lefty but we have tried bombing, intelligence/border control can only go so far. I truly believe education is the best shout at ending this crap. Its worked in the past and god help us if it doesn't work in the future:(
 
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