I think it was probably more an attempt to ward off a group of have'a'go heroes. 20 drunk men armed with chairs vs 3 men with knives goes differently than going up against potential suicide bombers with knives.Anyone else think the "suicide belts" were an attempt to make the firearms officers "think twice" before shooting? Instead they ended up riddled with 16-17 shots eachCompared with the last dude who got 3 was it?
London Bridge Incident
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My solution (to start with):
- throw all foreign extremists out of the country
- don't let any UK born extremists who left the country to come back
- close down every mosque or islamic school sympathising with terrorists, hosting a hate preacher or "teaching" anti-western propaganda
- scrap pathetic political correctness so people can report any extremist activity without fear of being labeled racists, fascists or xenophobes
- death penalty for all failed terrorists
- handguns for all police force
- throw all foreign extremists out of the country
- don't let any UK born extremists who left the country to come back
- close down every mosque or islamic school sympathising with terrorists, hosting a hate preacher or "teaching" anti-western propaganda
- scrap pathetic political correctness so people can report any extremist activity without fear of being labeled racists, fascists or xenophobes
- death penalty for all failed terrorists
- handguns for all police force
At this point quoting a PM who has observably lied about policing levels, announces that internet regulation is a major solution to the problem and has attacked the suggestion that foreign policy is related to the issue of international terror, is nearly as bad as your opening post.
Also when you say
Do you mean, learn nothing about the issues caused by engaging in a situation leaving 200K dead and an environment to breed the Current Islamic State threat?
In what way does anyone believe we are a bit soft on Islamist Extremism?
May cut the armed police on streets, tory government and their cuts make us all less secure.
Funding for counter-terrorism was increased though.
They had to get there and then find them. Dont forget they had moved on from the original incident.
Clearly the government must believe we are too soft or they wouldn't be saying it?
I note you didn't suggest a solution. It's easy to try and pick apart posts without giving any opinions yourself. I think we'll have to agree to disagree (though I'm not sure about what).
Now is the time to make some sort of decision - doing nothing has predictably resulted in more terrorist atrocities. How bad does it need to get before we do what needs to be done?
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fat lot of good that's done so far.
Still waiting for your proof that the police ran away...........until then your opinions count for nothing.
What would you like to be done?
Third time I've asked for detail on this, you've yet to provide any.
It probably has in fairness, but it's a flawed strategy - it relies on the security services winning every time, the bad guys only need to win once. More bobbies on the beat isn't going to be the answer either, neither is arming the police officers (see recent Paris attacks where you had gendarmes with 9mm pistols going up against Islamic State with assault rifles and body armour - the police were slaughtered).
Why don't we at least try to find out? We know carrying on as we are doesn't work, let's acknowledge that we need to try something else.
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What is it about more police.
In NI with all the RUC Army numbers involved with a smaller population than Manchester didn't stop the IRA running amok.
Rather than politicians stating random numbers let the police commanders decide what resources with budgetary constraints in the areas they want.
Looking at the response last night I credit them for a fantastic quick response and within London it looks as though they are getting the right numbers in the correct areas to respond the way they did.
It may be different elsewhere though.
In NI with all the RUC Army numbers involved with a smaller population than Manchester didn't stop the IRA running amok.
Rather than politicians stating random numbers let the police commanders decide what resources with budgetary constraints in the areas they want.
Looking at the response last night I credit them for a fantastic quick response and within London it looks as though they are getting the right numbers in the correct areas to respond the way they did.
It may be different elsewhere though.
Fat load of good when first on the scene was a BTP officer armed only with a baton.
Who didnt run away either. Like your earlier stupid comment.
A few more regular coppers on the street may have been able to organise an even quicker response.
I don't think I've seen anyone claim we don't need to try something else but I have yet to see anyone with a plan that won't potentially make things worse.
We're still at the point in these threads where there's a lot of people saying "Change is needed" but haven't got a solid suggestion of what to change. Can't remember who it was now but the only reply I've had to that is "not my job to come up with ideas".