London violence reaching epidemic proportions

[The Running Man]

So house and pay benefits to the criminals? I’m sure that speech would go down great at the next <insert party> conference.

Well no, house them in prisons and don't pay them benefits.

By not housing or paying benefits to 100,000 asylum seekers, you can instead use this money to build prisons and house as many prisoners as you need.

Removing the excuse from judges that we can't send people to prison because they are full.

 

[The Running Man]

So how much extra would you like to pay? It’s going to be very expensive. Private prisons are not cheap to build and operate.

Costs can be cut obviously. They say it costs over 40k a year per prisoner.

You could literally employ 1 policemen per prinsoner to stand duty on him and house him for that price. (30k a year salary, 10k to put a roof over their head).

So how it is possible to create a cost that high is not fathomable in basic conditions.

 

[The Running Man]

Well no, but how many sets of £40k are you prepared to pay? Two prisoners worth? Say £800,000?

I’m in, put me down for a few years worth.

Asylum seekers cost 6m a day, so 6m into prisoners is another 12k+ right away.

That's a good start.

 

[The Running Man]

Well I don’t know who can fix that issue or how we even make it stop, all I do know is it’s definitely not the conservatives. If anything they’ve made it more expensive and complicated to deal with.

But the topic is violent crime and how we solve it isn’t it?

Correct, by putting people into prison for longer.

Making sure that career offenders have a career in prison etc.

What we have to accept is that only a small proportion of offenders and reoffenders are truly rehabilitation candidates.

Therefore you protect your citizens by removing the offenders from society for long periods of time so that they cannot reoffend.

 

[The Running Man]

Time in prison is time when the prisoners can only criminalise against fellow miscreants or prison officers.

Providing prison officers with overpoweringly effective weapons and no judicial fear in using them covers the latter. Inter prisoner violence aids the deterrence factor.

The only missing ingredients are governmental will and the ability to forcefully quell objections by the liberal left.

In reality only a benevolent dictator with the will and ability to violently bring order back to the UK or whichever western country faces similar intransigency has any hope. Liberal pussy footing around has brought us to the situations we now watch daily.

To validate the above look to which countries have very low violent crime rates and how their governments operate in subduing anyone foolish enough to test their resolve.

True, look at Rwanda, their crime rate is almost half of ours.

You have to take crime seriously and really punish the criminals. Not let them repeatedly offend.

 

[The Running Man]

We have fostered too many areas that produce these type of people and those areas are growing alarmingly.

Criminality per capita needs to go down and the UK’s area’s of issue have some of the highest birth rates in the U.K.
The goal should be to reduce the number of people incarcerated per capita and that requires more than the threat of time in prison as most of this culture see jail as a badge of honour. We really need to offer people something to conserve, something to loose. We also need to look at how instil different values.

A program of endless prison building and longer sentencing is one solution it’s just a very expensive one that’s only masking a rapidly growing issue that’s been ignored for decades.

We still need to hold people accountable for the crimes they committed.

Not giving custodial sentences because prisons are "full" isn't acceptable.

Giving lenient sentences because the system is top heavy doesn't fix the here and now problem that a crime has been committed and that we need to punish/remove that person from society because they are a danger to other people or businesses.

 

[The Running Man]

Hey, I agree with you 100%, please don’t confuse me as a touchy feely “it’s not their fault type” I’m really not that guy. Really not in fact.

However we have failed these people and those things that most of us have worked our stones off to get, those things that these kids want, they will try to take them from us and in my experience at any cost. So how do we fix this problem?

Have we really failed them?

Free education, free health service, they just chose to not make use of it. To act up in class or skip it, whatever it is they are doing. 90% of the population can do it right, so can the other 10%.

No one forces them into criminality. You can't remove free will as a factor here.

 

[The Running Man]

I mean just about anybody can go into an agency and get a job starting tomorrow earning money.

We don't have mass unemployment.

Yes there are rich people out there, but there always were. If someone wants a job they van get one.

If that person chooses to throw away derry opportunity in front of their noses and actively pick criminality then that was their decision.

Prison does stop crime. If you lock someone away for 20 years, they won't be burgling your house, stealing your phone or stabbing you tomorrow. If you give them nothing sentences so they are out in 3 months then yeah sure they will probably commit a crime again. But can we accept career criminals who live in society or do we need to say that crime ad a career is unacceptable so prison it is?

 

[The Running Man]

If you fail to provide all with basic human requiremenst in a so-called "civilised" society then don't be surpised when people opt out. That said, there's always scrotes, there's always been scrotes and there will always be scrotes. But this country has completely lost sight of any form of morality or any concept of society.

Millions of people "play the game" and they still get f'd.

Every single sector of this economy is a complete disaster*

*Working as intended.

Yeah, those vids in London make for terrible viewing, there's no excusing that, but we're reaping what we have sown.

Succesive govt's have essential passed off any form of responsibility for GOVERNANCE in favour of letting the market decide all, with disastrous conesequences.

On top of everything we now we have the internet which has just made everything 100x worse.

What basics are they missing?

Free education
Free health care
Free housing or subsidised
Free benefits that don't actually have to be paid back


The basics are all taken care of. But people don't want basic, and they don't want to work.

Before the Internet we had tv. People. Could see the rich it was all laid bare.

What we have now is clearly more people with lower social values from different backgrounds who simply can't coexist with society.

 

[The Running Man]

Well the truth is this, if the parents don't think that they are being offered a good enough standard of life or educational opportunities for their children...

They could always move to a different area.

They could always move to another country.

Except you realise that in the UK the standard of living, education, health care system, opportunities that are rarely matched globally.

It's just that these opportunities are purposely being squandered rather than embraced.

 

[The Running Man]

What if that's true, on the part of the parents... Is it the children's fault? Like I said, not all parents are even interested in their kids. Some are abusive, some addicts, some just neglectful in the extreme.

That has a dramatic bearing on the child's outcomes. It's why we talk about cycles of abuse, cycles of poverty, etc. The kids often end up inheriting their parents' outlooks (and vices).

Conversely, having well-off, well-educated parents, who are invested in their child and pushing them to achieve... This also has a dramatic bearing on the child's outcomes, but in the opposite direction (positive).

I'm sure we aren't about to blame the 5 year old child if the parents decide to stick them in from of the TV or are never around to nurture or help them.

Again, all this "you are entirely the product of your own efforts" is an ideological leaning, one that is not borne out by real world data.

Do you think all children have a supportive home environment? You can't honestly believe that, surely.

You can't honestly believe either that a child's upbringing has no bearing on their life outcomes. It beggars belief if you do.

I agree but why are they having children with no thought to their future?

But at the same time the same parents will kick and scream when social services pay them a visit.

But this is a separate issue, how does someone become feral?

We can't turn back the clock on them, make them 5 again and give them a new life.

We can put people in prison for committing crimes and remove them from impacting normal people on their day to day.

If you want to come up with ideas how to fix the issue we have with single parent culture, non supportive parents etc do that and that could help us in 20-30 years from now. But right now we also need to protect everyone else from this 10%.

 

[The Running Man]

So basicaly you are saying its because they are black because white people dont act like this?

Was it white culture that caused the jan 6th riot then?

The pattern is the same across many countries.

That's not to say its inherent but if you were to compare say the USA, UK and other European countries.

Also seems to be a thing in African countries too.

Is it just a coincidence?

 

[The Running Man]

Answer the question then.

Are the white people that are from single parent families or commit crime or do all the other socialy unacceptable things you lay at black cultures feet all part of black culture as well?

Or do you accept that white culture also has issues?

No culture is without faults.

It's just that in the USA for example 10% of the population is committing over 50% of the homicides.

It's not 1 or 2 people giving a bad rep here, there is clearly more to it than that.

And BTW there are more white people than black people in poverty in the USA so don't claim its to do with money.

 

[The Running Man]

What pattern is a thing in African countries?

In Somalia for example over 40% of households are single parents.

You can look it up yourself.

 

[The Running Man]

Hold on. 10% of the population are not responsable for 50% of the murders. I could possibly let you get away with saying a small percentage with in that 10% are responsable but not all of them.

Thats like saying you are responsable for all the actions of horrible white people.

That's just how the statistics roll unfortunately.

I will phrase it another way if you'd prefer.

In the USA around 10% of the population is black and over 50% of homicides are committed by black people.

In the UK the trend is very similar. How would you explain this?


"What percentage of murderers in the UK are black?


The figures showed that 13% of murder suspects were black compared to 3% of the population of the United Kingdom (as of the 2010s), and in London 48% of murder suspects compared to 13% of the population."

Is it a coincidence that in 2 separate countries that the trend is nearly identical?

 

[The Running Man]

How many are commited by men? I bet its more than 50%

That's pretty sexist tbh.

But if you are willing to accept that yes crime figures are hugely inflated by a small group of people then I'm sure you can figure out ways to tackle the issue and massively reduce serious crime like murder, violent assault plus shoplifting etc.

Is it a coincidence the pattern is the same across multi countries?

 

[The Running Man]

It’s not a really a race thing… ~ When these kids are confronted it can escalate into something very racial looking, racist insults and slurs, but it’s usually the act of being challenged just results in vitriol in the flavours of what enters their mind.

It kinda looks like it is prevalent. Some kids are riding their bikes, playing football, getting jobs.

Others are stealing their bikes and knifing them.

 

[The Running Man]

I can only speak to what I’ve seen. When planning raids and robberies I honestly don’t know. Maybe blacks only attack the rich white kids and vice versa. I doubt it, but maybe.

A raid? Are they playing mmorpg here?

Why don't they just get a job and go to work, much easier.

 

[The Running Man]

Wait. Thats sexist but what you are saying isnt racist? Hows that?

No but you have proven the point expertly.

It is fine to use statistics to say that women have a lower murder rate than men.

But then at the same time you are validating the notion that we can use statistics to say that black men commit murders at a rate 3-4 times higher than non black men.

In multiple countries. It is not a statistical aberration, or one off. It is proven over many years (decades) in multiple continents.

How or why that's open to interpretation, but the facts are the facts.

 

[The Running Man]

Calls for a commission on knife crime in the black community​

Despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims, 61% of knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators.

Calls for a commission on knife crime in the black community

Despite making up 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims.

www.london.gov.uk