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Looking for a CPU and system for video editing for a beginner

Da Vinci resolve is easy to learn imo. Plus, it has great tutorial videos.

It’s amazing to think it’s free. Blackmagic could easily charge £50 or so for the free version.
 
If i can learn how to use DaVinci Resolve anyone can, and the free version is good, properly good, not just good for a freebie.
 
This is were getting a old dual xeon build could be useful. A Intel Xeon E5-2670 2.6 GHz 8-Core Processor - 20 MB - LGA2011 Socket - OEM is like £45 each. Cheap Intel Xeon E5-2650L v2 are around £90 or get lucky with the Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 (I can see some selling for £78-82). So a dual motherboard if you can find one, see https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/Z9PED8_WS/ see £129.98. Intel Xeon E5-2670 is 16 cores and 32 threads. Intel Xeon E5-2650L v2 is 20 cores and 40 threads.

Then get some RAM, PC3-10600R ECC Registered will set you back £30 per 32GB.

So,
2 x Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 £180 (20 cores and 40 threads) (3190 points each CPU cpu-z https://valid.x86.fr/bench/j8ivxm/16 or 6280 point ideal or close to the Intel Core i9-7920X)
Z9PED8_WS £130
PC3-10600R ECC Registered 64GB £60

Total = £370

Sure there is more you will need to buy but this is the same as one 3800x.

So with this you are hoping to get as close to cpu-z 6000 multi-core points as you can. Not sure what you will get overclocking wise but you can try at least. Remember this build is just for video encoding, not for games or going on the internet.

Overclocking which you will need,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt62JyJo1iU

Or just call overclockers and ask them for advice.
 
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zx128k said:
This is were getting a old dual xeon build could be useful. A Intel Xeon E5-2670 2.6 GHz 8-Core Processor - 20 MB - LGA2011 Socket - OEM is like £45 each. Cheap Intel Xeon E5-2650L v2 are around £90 or get lucky with the Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 (I can see some selling for £78-82). So a dual motherboard if you can find one, see https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/Z9PED8_WS/ see £129.98. Intel Xeon E5-2670 is 16 cores and 32 threads. Intel Xeon E5-2650L v2 is 20 cores and 40 threads.

Then get some RAM, PC3-10600R ECC Registered will set you back £30 per 32GB.

So,
2 x Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 £180 (20 cores and 40 threads) (3190 points each CPU cpu-z https://valid.x86.fr/bench/j8ivxm/16 or 6280 point ideal)
Z9PED8_WS £130
PC3-10600R ECC Registered 64GB £60

Total = £370

Sure there is more you will need to buy but this is the same as one 3800x.

So with this you are hoping to get as close to cpu-z 6000 multi-core points as you can. Not sure what you will get overclocking wise but you can try at least. Remember this build is just for video encoding, not for games.

Overclocking which you will need,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt62JyJo1iU
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With Ryzen 3000 i just don't understand going to these extents for Xeon alternatives, i mean what is the availability and cost of a dual socket motherboard like that 'with at least a years warranty' ? how much is the RAM going to cost?

Powersuply, how much power does an old dual socket system like that draw? my guess would be 3 times as much as a 3700X, cooling, two coolers? a case to fit that huge board into?

The CPU's alone are £370 while a £330 3700X is near enough as fast and a £100 brand new 3 year warranty motherboard has next generation upgradability.

It just seems like a really elaborate way to get something Xeon alternative to the similar performance you can get now new with far less complexity, more convenience and cheaper, a 3700X with a 'good' Motherboard is £440.
 
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humbug said:
With Ryzen 3000 i just don't understand going to these extents for Xeon alternatives, i mean what is the availability and cost of a dual socket motherboard like that 'with at least a years warranty' ? how much is the RAM going to cost?

Powersuply, how much power does an old dual socket system like that draw? my guess would be 3 times as much as a 3700X, cooling, two coolers? a case to fit that huge board into?

The CPU's alone are £370 while a £330 3700X is near enough as fast and a £100 brand new 3 year warranty motherboard has next generation upgradability.

It just seems like a really elaborate way to get something Xeon alternative to the similar performance you can get now new with far less complexity, more convenience and cheaper, a 3700X with a 'good' Motherboard is £440.
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If you are a beginner, you just what as cheap as possible. With video encoding you want as many cores and as much RAM as possible. 95 watts each cpu. 3700x is not a video editing cpu, the 3900x is a video editing cpu. 3700x is for gaming, but if you what to stream your game then get a 3900x. It will be hard to get that amount of RAM and CPU cores without going much more expensive.

Remember a pro is going to get a threadripper or another HEDT cpu and 128GB or more of ram. A 2080 ti or better for help with video encoding. £40000 on the red camera etc etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6JfiC-QBk.

Both the xeons cost less than the 2700x and are together faster. Power supply was never going to be an issue. 3700x is unlikely to be as fast, its going to be slower for multi core tasks. 8 cores are not going to match 20 cores. He will get close to a Intel Core i9-7920X for multi thread which is £929.99 worth of CPU https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga2066-processor-retail-cp-63l-in.html.

2 x Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 £180 (20 cores and 40 threads) (3190 points each CPU cpu-z https://valid.x86.fr/bench/j8ivxm/16 or 6280 point ideal or close to the Intel Core i9-7920X)
Z9PED8_WS £130
PC3-10600R ECC Registered 64GB £60

Total = £370

So total for motherboard, ram and two CPU's is £370 approx. One 3700x is £329.99 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3b7-am.html

This build will be faster than one 3700x for video encoding hopefully. Remember I can't link to were I get the prices from and they will change. It's just a thought, I would just get a 3900x from overclockers and as much RAM as I could.
 
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My suggestion is to get a good B450 or one of the upcoming B550 motherboards and either a 2700X or 3700X CPU and 32gb RAM. As a beginner both those 8 core CPU's would be fine and the B450 and B550 platform, would allow you to easily upgrade to a 3900X for more cores if you eventually feel the need. I would recommend Davinci Resolve. It does also support GPU acceleration but I'm not sure which GPU would be best, so look into that too.

I think the 3700X is a well rounded CPU. It has 8 cores and 16 threads. But just as importantly each core is strong. So it's a good balance between having many weaker cores or fewer stronger cores. The 3900X is like a 3700X but with even more cores.

Another idea could be to look at the first gen Threadripper systems. If it were purely for video editing then I may well be looking at that.
 
zx128k said:
If you are a beginner, you just what as cheap as possible. With video encoding you want as many cores and as much RAM as possible. 95 watts each cpu. 3700x is not a video editing cpu, the 3900x is a video editing cpu. 3700x is for gaming, but if you what to stream your game then get a 3900x. It will be hard to get that amount of RAM and CPU cores without going much more expensive.

Remember a pro is going to get a threadripper or another HEDT cpu and 128GB or more of ram. A 2080 ti or better for help with video encoding. £40000 on the red camera etc etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6JfiC-QBk.

Both the xeons cost less than the 2700x and are together faster. Power supply was never going to be an issue. 3700x is unlikely to be as fast, its going to be slower for multi core tasks. 8 cores are not going to match 20 cores. He will get close to a Intel Core i9-7920X for multi thread which is £929.99 worth of CPU https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga2066-processor-retail-cp-63l-in.html.

2 x Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 £180 (20 cores and 40 threads) (3190 points each CPU cpu-z https://valid.x86.fr/bench/j8ivxm/16 or 6280 point ideal or close to the Intel Core i9-7920X)
Z9PED8_WS £130
PC3-10600R ECC Registered 64GB £60

Total = £370

So total for motherboard, ram and two CPU's is £370 approx. One 3700x is £329.99 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3b7-am.html

This build will be faster than one 3700x for video encoding hopefully. Remember I can't link to were I get the prices from and they will change. It's just a thought, I would just get a 3900x from overclockers and as much RAM as I could.
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How much warranty does all this stuff have, its all used stuff yes?

Your Dual socket Xeon there still needs 2 coolers for server sockets and something to put that huge motherboard into and a power supply to run three 95 Watt CPU's, this vs one 65 Watt CPU that's 90% on your CPU-Z score.

And interesting that you say "This build will be faster than one 3700x for video encoding hopefully" you don't know, for sure its missing all the AVX extensions a modern CPU has and you're asking the software to run 40 threads to the 3700X 16 for whatever performance it could provide.

In anycase i agree with Hades and what i said before, a Ryzen 2700 is cheap and powerfull, its all a beginner needs. a 10 year old dual socket Xeon is not a beginners system and not much faster if at all.

My little 3600 does very well in Davinci Resolve.
 
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zx128k said:
If you are a beginner, you just what as cheap as possible. With video encoding you want as many cores and as much RAM as possible. 95 watts each cpu. 3700x is not a video editing cpu, the 3900x is a video editing cpu.
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so even though I've been video editing on my ryzen 1700 it isn't actually for video editing?
 
zx128k said:
This is were getting a old dual xeon build could be useful. A Intel Xeon E5-2670 2.6 GHz 8-Core Processor - 20 MB - LGA2011 Socket - OEM is like £45 each. Cheap Intel Xeon E5-2650L v2 are around £90 or get lucky with the Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 (I can see some selling for £78-82). So a dual motherboard if you can find one, see https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/Z9PED8_WS/ see £129.98. Intel Xeon E5-2670 is 16 cores and 32 threads. Intel Xeon E5-2650L v2 is 20 cores and 40 threads.

Then get some RAM, PC3-10600R ECC Registered will set you back £30 per 32GB.

So,
2 x Intel Xeon E5-2660 v2 £180 (20 cores and 40 threads) (3190 points each CPU cpu-z https://valid.x86.fr/bench/j8ivxm/16 or 6280 point ideal or close to the Intel Core i9-7920X)
Z9PED8_WS £130
PC3-10600R ECC Registered 64GB £60

Total = £370

Sure there is more you will need to buy but this is the same as one 3800x.

So with this you are hoping to get as close to cpu-z 6000 multi-core points as you can. Not sure what you will get overclocking wise but you can try at least. Remember this build is just for video encoding, not for games or going on the internet.

Overclocking which you will need,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt62JyJo1iU

Or just call overclockers and ask them for advice.
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Sorry but this is fatally flawed reasoning. The motherboard you mentioned is nearly as rare as rocking horse poo and when the do show up you will not get them for less than £200 (and more like £250). The best CPU's that you can get for that motherboard are the Xeon E5 2697 V2. (in total comes to 24 cores 48 threads). The Cinebench R15/R20 score for this is almost identical to the score you will get from a 3900X. Cost wise the AMD system is also cheaper so it is a no brainer to go Ryzen.

I know because I have both systems.

The OP's friend is much better off getting a B450 Tomahawk MAX, DDR4 3200Mhz C16 and which ever CPU he finds suitable be it 1600/2700 etc. Later on when the person gets more proficient they can even drop in a 3900X/3950X and probably higher.
 
Lol, this thread has made me laugh a lot to be honest. My system is as in my profile. The reason i have it is because i do a lot video encoding, as well as a lot of straight photography manipulation.
The choice i made was based on what could do both the fastest. The answer was instant and so much faster, it was a no brainer...................i'm shure the the zen 2 series are even faster.....................just waiting on the 3950x myself.................then i'll know.
 
MartinPrince said:
Sorry but this is fatally flawed reasoning. The motherboard you mentioned is nearly as rare as rocking horse poo and when the do show up you will not get them for less than £200 (and more like £250). The best CPU's that you can get for that motherboard are the Xeon E5 2697 V2. (in total comes to 24 cores 48 threads). The Cinebench R15/R20 score for this is almost identical to the score you will get from a 3900X. Cost wise the AMD system is also cheaper so it is a no brainer to go Ryzen.

I know because I have both systems.

The OP's friend is much better off getting a B450 Tomahawk MAX, DDR4 3200Mhz C16 and which ever CPU he finds suitable be it 1600/2700 etc. Later on when the person gets more proficient they can even drop in a 3900X/3950X and probably higher.
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He can buy it all today, its still all listed. Xeon E5 2697 V2 costs over £300 each. You can buy two E5-2660 v2 for half the price.

Nothing cheap is going to beat two E5-2660 v2. Next stop would be the 1700x/2700x.
 
A 6 core 12 thread will be a great starting point for your friend. As said, go for something like Resolve (Premier, aside from cost, likes clock speed anyway - well, for editing, but the encoding will make use of the core count).
 
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zx128k said:
He can buy it all today, its still all listed. Xeon E5 2697 V2 costs over £300 each. You can buy two E5-2660 v2 for half the price.

Nothing cheap is going to beat two E5-2660 v2. Next stop would be the 1700x/2700x.
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Show me any authentic listing for an Asus Z9PE D8 (or any dual Xeon sandybride/ivybridge) for ~£130.
Do an eBay search on sold listings and you will see they all went for over £200.

I started with E5 2670's and have gone through many E5 Sandybridge/Ivybridge Xeon's on that Z9PE including the 2660 V2. Just to put some actual evidence to your claimed assertion:

2 x 2660 V2 Cinebench R15 score ~2100
2 x 2660 v2 will currently cost you £158
There are no Z9PE D8's that I can see. Three (motherboad only) have sold in the last few months at an average of £282.
16Gb DDR3 ~£40
Total = £480

3700X Cinebench R15 score ~2100
3700X currently can be purchased brand new for £299
MSI Tomahawk MAX can be purchased brand new for £107
16Gb DDR4 3200Mhz C16 can be purchaed brand new for £65
Total = £471

Not only is the Ryzen readily available and cheaper than your claimed champion E5 2660 V2 but the Ryzen is brand new with warranty, plus it gives an easy upgrade path, plus it will lead to an overall faster system for the many other tasks that don't max out all cores.

Like I said, fatally flawed reasoning.
 
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Yeah Xeon 2011 era only makes sense if you already have compatible parts to upgrade in the first place or can get very very cheap.
 
MartinPrince said:
Show me any authentic listing for an Asus Z9PE D8 (or any dual Xeon sandybride/ivybridge) for ~£130.
Do an eBay search on sold listings and you will see they all went for over £200.

I started with E5 2670's and have gone through many E5 Sandybridge/Ivybridge Xeon's on that Z9PE including the 2660 V2. Just to put some actual evidence to your claimed assertion:

2 x 2660 V2 Cinebench R15 score ~2100
2 x 2660 v2 will currently cost you £158
There are no Z9PE D8's that I can see. Three (motherboad only) have sold in the last few months at an average of £282.
16Gb DDR3 ~£40
Total = £480

3700X Cinebench R15 score ~2100
3700X currently can be purchased brand new for £299
MSI Tomahawk MAX can be purchased brand new for £107
16Gb DDR4 3200Mhz C16 can be purchaed brand new for £65
Total = £471

Not only is the Ryzen readily available and cheaper than your claimed champion E5 2660 V2 but the Ryzen is brand new with warranty, plus it gives an easy upgrade path, plus it will lead to an overall faster system for the many other tasks that don't max out all cores.

Like I said, fatally flawed reasoning.
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https://www.somewhereunknownbay.com/p/127328694 CURRENTLY SOLD OUT Even so Rroff has it covered. Got to be fast people.
 
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The main issue is that everyone is doing it. They make great labs for studying cisco networking, WiFi and security tracks. You can run vm''s for routers, wlc, switches and firewalls etc. You can setup complex networks that way, even with windows servers, websites and vm for eu pc''s. Every time there is a good deal you have to be fast. They sell out quickly. It''s a great setup for a lab, you don't care much about security or it being up to date. So long as you can run 30 or so vm for that network topology you want to setup.
 
zx128k said:
The main issue is that everyone is doing it. They make great labs for studying cisco networking, WiFi and security tracks. You can run vm''s for routers, wlc, switches and firewalls etc. You can setup complex networks that way, even with windows servers, websites and vm for eu pc''s. Every time there is a good deal you have to be fast. They sell out quickly. It''s a great setup for a lab, you don't care much about security or it being up to date. So long as you can run 30 or so vm for that network topology you want to setup.
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:confused: I'm not sure what that has to do with your totally false and wrong assertion that Asus z9PE D8's can be picked up easily for £130.
 
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