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Looking for a CPU and system for video editing for a beginner

MartinPrince said:
:confused: I'm not sure what that has to do with your totally false and wrong assertion that Asus z9PE D8's can be picked up easily for £130.
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Well I did, so can it troll. Just because you can't get a good deal and pay over the odds. They sold all of them, so while you were running your mouth, we got the goods.
 
zx128k said:
Well I did, so can it troll. Just because you can't get a good deal and pay over the odds. They sold all of them, so while you were running your mouth, we got the goods.
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Troll? :D
You might want to look up the definition before resorting to argumentum ad hominem.
Everything I have stated is a provable fact.
As everybody else reading this thread can clearly see that your assertion that the OP should invest in a dual Xeon Sandybridge/Ivy bridge over a Ryzen system is clearly codswallop.

Keep replying with inane, off topic replies. Nobody else is fooled. At least the OP won't be listening to advice from people like you. I will not be replying to you again.

PS. These are all the Z9PE D8 that have sold in the States over the last few months. Nothing there for £130 ($160) either.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...acat=0&_odkw=z9PE+motherboard&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1
 
MartinPrince said:
Troll? :D
You might want to look up the definition before resorting to argumentum ad hominem.
Everything I have stated is a provable fact.
As everybody else reading this thread can clearly see that your assertion that the OP should invest in a dual Xeon Sandybridge/Ivy bridge over a Ryzen system is clearly codswallop.

Keep replying with inane, off topic replies. Nobody else is fooled. At least the OP won't be listening to advice from people like you. I will not be replying to you again.

PS. These are all the Z9PE D8 that have sold in the States over the last few months. Nothing there for £130 ($160) either.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...acat=0&_odkw=z9PE+motherboard&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1
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If you can't go after a bargain when you see one and would rather start a flame war in a forum about how hard it is in your opinion to get normally. Then you lost this before you started, troll elsewhere. Look at your language, childish insults.

The OP could have bought it at the time of posting, bargains don't last forever and stock is not infinite. If he had of searched for it when I stated he could have a 20 core and 40 thread work station for video editing. I had every right to tell someone what bargains I find.

** Watch the personal insults, unless you'd like a holiday **
 
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Oh look, someone reads the posts in r/homelab ... The days of suggesting v3/4 Xeon’s to people are numbered, Ryzen changed the game, you can buy an R1700 for £80 used, a cheap board is about half that, £65+ on 16GB and you have a platform that can grow with your needs, is power efficient and has a current gen upgrade path. It’ll also fit in a standard ATX case which seems to have been overlooked so far.

Dual V1/2 Xeon’s are just silly at this stage *UNLESS* you have/get the hardware stupidly cheap (the listing referenced is neither in the UK), in the US if you have cheap shipping, power and free/cheap racks/server hardware in abundance on Craigslist, then the numbers are different, but not in the UK having to pay shipping/import duty and return shipping if something goes wrong (several reports of DOA’s) and the ongoing power costs, it’s just flawed logic for this application.
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Asrock-C...830318?hash=item469df59dae:g:7tMAAOSwqlNdgk~n £150.00
Supported CPU's. https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=EP2C612 WS#CPU
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-INTEL...821000&hash=item3652e480e1:g:XTAAAOSwMUtdXVsz £150
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INTEL-XE...058174?hash=item4d9a59ccbe:g:CvMAAOSwNmddXEAo £110

RAM is more expensive because its DDR4 EEC,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-...233368?hash=item3410dd3ad8:g:rO8AAOSwdJtdUY-q £89.99 for 32GB

Motherboard £150 (dual socket)
2xCPU E5-2660V3 £260 (20 cores and 40 threads)
RAM 64GB £180
Total £590

This is faster than the first one. Remember video encoding only.

Or on overclockers, *Note overclockers don't sell 1700x.
Ryzen 7 Eight Core 2700X 4.35GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail - £200
Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming AMD X470 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £150
TeamGroup Elite Plus 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-21300C19 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit x 2 £280 for 64GB
Total £630

At least with the overclockers one you can play games. This is not like for like performance wise. The 2700x will be slower for multi-thread by a big amount.
 
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The only difference is the time it will take to encode. That build would be slow. Sure why not go with an Intel CPU with integrated GPU and have quick sync.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fwK0h5VYnQ


The overclockers build would be at the same price,

"Ranger RB24" AMD Raven Bridge Ryzen 5 2400G APU Gaming Bundle w/ Radeon Vega 11 Graphics £339.95
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/rang...ndle-w-radeon-vega-11-graphics-bu-09t-og.html

What he should get is something like this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwmbcj4QMok

All available at overclockers.

He covers why here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw6sgOwaMTo&feature=youtu.be
 
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  • Why would anyone want a system with 20 slow cores, slow ram and slow storage when they could have a Ryzen system with fast ram and an m2 drive for less money.
 
@zx128k Can i just ask:

20 cores 40 threads without warranty to get the same performance as 8 cores 16 threads brand new.

Why is it unreasonable to say the latter is better?
 
humbug said:
@zx128k Can i just ask:

20 cores 40 threads without warranty to get the same performance as 8 cores 16 threads brand new.

Why is it unreasonable to say the latter is better?
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This are not really true but OP could get a 8 core 16 threads. It's up to them. Just for video editing the big core count helps. If for one moment the OP whats warranty, they don't like second hand parts. I believe they should get a 2700x at minimum for overclockers, the 2600x is the same price if I remember correctly.
 
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zx128k said:
This are not really true but OP could get a 8 core 16 threads. It's up to them.
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Someone posted ~2100 CB15 points with your preferred 40 thread Xeon setup, i'm getting ~1700 with just 12 for what you can get now about £340: CPU + RAM + Motherboard, all brand new, how about that?

Oh and 200 Points with just one thread.
 
humbug said:
Someone posted ~2100 CB15 points with your preferred 40 thread Xeon setup, i'm getting ~1700 with just 12 for what you can get now about £340: CPU + RAM + Motherboard, all brand new, how about that?

Oh and 200 Points with just one thread.
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You can't get a 1700x from overclockers. 1700x will be slower but you can use any cpu you want. The dual xeon system is just an ideal to get you as many cores as can be had at a cheaper price than a 3900x which is approx. £500. This should get close too 2887 points best result with a decent setup in cinebench r15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpmNCwOqmHQ. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-intel_xeon_e5_2660_v3-498

If you want warranty or don't like second hand stuff then buy a decent cpu from overclockers. The slower the CPU the worst your experience will be. Many video editors don't get the best GPU to save money and get a better CPU. It's just the HEDT stuff is very expensive. Hopefully the OP buys the rest from overclockers anyway.

If they want a decent machine with warranty then get a 3900x. This will mean a decent motherboard with support for m.2 for fast storage and a normal big hard disk to store what you are not working on.

If I was video editing I would never get a 1700x with an old motherboard. I would want something other than a budget motherboard and a better CPU. If the video editing machine is slow, then it will take forever to do anything. It's more of your time the less you pay because that's the way you will pay for it.

2700x and above from overclockers. Even so you can get better than a 2700x with two xeons second hand.
 
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marms said:
  • Why would anyone want a system with 20 slow cores, slow ram and slow storage when they could have a Ryzen system with fast ram and an m2 drive for less money.
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There is no way I'd spend £600+ on a V2-4 Xeon setup these days but those Xeon/2011 era systems aren't slow RAM or slow storage - my 4820K has faster RAM performance than a 3900X albeit I can't touch the cache performance of a 3900X LOL never mind its multi-threading performance but that is another story. IO and storage performance is still up there with modern stuff as well though you may need to resort to add-in cards if you are competing with higher end M.2 grade stuff, etc. Intel completely over-engineered the RAM and storage on the first couple of iterations of the X79 platform though they didn't keep up the pace going into X99 so they still hold up well in those aspects today.

Off the top of my head I think a dual 2660 v3 setup has double the RAM copy of a 3900X for instance - I'm pushing over 60GB/s which is near Threadripper territory unfortunately largely wasted on a 4820K.
 
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zx128k said:
You can't get a 1700x from overclockers. 1700x will be slower but you can use any cpu you want. The dual xeon system is just an ideal to get you as many cores as can be had at a cheaper price than a 3900x which is approx. £500. This should get close too 2887 points best result with a decent setup in cinebench r15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpmNCwOqmHQ.
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Reading the coments what you have just shown me there is an overclocked system, pretty high too, how much is it going to cost to cool two 32nm Xeon's for overclocks like that? link me a high end cooler for that socket.
 
humbug said:
Reading the coments what you have just shown me there is an overclocked system, pretty high too, how much is it going to cost to cool two 32nm Xeon's for overclocks like that? link me a high end cooler for that socket.
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If you want warranty don't buy second hand. There can be a lot of hassle involved researching, finding the right parts and waiting for parts to become available at the right price. There are down sides to buying second hand that you should consider as well, things don't work right and cost more than expected.

Two xeon's would require an air cooler each or AIO (small one). If you want quad channel then you will need to spend a lot of money of DDR4 EEC ram which is not cheap at all. You get poor overclocking, no help if things go wrong and limited set of RAM speeds. Only pick two xeons if you understand there could be expensive issues.
 
zx128k said:
You would need two but you have a 3600, you could just upgrade if things run too slow for you in future.
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Right, :) i could dump a 3900X into my system without changing a thing, Or, get this, a Ryzen 4000 next year.
 
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