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The Intel is strongest in small random writes. However, every other area the Vertex is similar to or faster than the Intel's. Real world usage you will find very little between them.
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The Intel is strongest in small random writes. However, every other area the Vertex is similar to or faster than the Intel's. Real world usage you will find very little between them.
thanks for the link. That was very interesting. Basically, I think I'll go with one intel x-25 m seeing how it has less performance loss over time.
Cmon, guys OCZ or X-25, decide please because I can't now. Does anyone have any of these drives that can give me some advice? And why are ppl still getting long load times with these? Given my specs, what kind of post 2 boot time do you think I could expect?
What about this: OCZ OCZSSD2-1S32G 2.5" 32GB SATA II SLC, it's SLC so then it won't lose performance over time correct? is that better than the vertex?
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I wouldn't bother with that drive as it's not as fast as the drives we've been mentioning even though it's SLC.
Honestly. You won't see much difference between the Vertex drives and the Intel's. So just choose the amount of storage you want and the price range your looking at and get either.
Honestly. You won't see much difference between the Vertex drives and the Intel's. So just choose the amount of storage you want and the price range your looking at and get either.
in that case the vertex is definately more wallet friendly.
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Just one quick mention on speed degredation. I haven't read the anand article. But I presume this is down to fragmentation and the cell not being erased properly so when the drives are running low on space they have to erase a block before writing which takes longer.
Anyway, this is supposed to be fixed when Windows 7 ships by using a feature called TRIM. OCZ are working on some software to do this on Vista/XP right now and a new Vertex firmware with TRIM support. Not sure when the software/firmware will be released, but likely to be this month. Another user started a thread about this a few days back, so have a look on this forum for the thread.
Anyway, this is supposed to be fixed when Windows 7 ships by using a feature called TRIM. OCZ are working on some software to do this on Vista/XP right now and a new Vertex firmware with TRIM support. Not sure when the software/firmware will be released, but likely to be this month. Another user started a thread about this a few days back, so have a look on this forum for the thread.
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So should I wait?
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the intel drive would be the best to get if you can afford it, the vertex is good too tho, you can upgrade the firmware yourself once its released within the next few weeks.
get whichever drive you can afford.
get whichever drive you can afford.
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HyperDrive5 is what you want.
takes DDR2 sticks
takes DDR2 sticks
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Vertex get my vote for sure. I read the Anand article before getting my Vertex's and it was a major contirbuting piece of info in my desicion. The Intel's were reckoned to be the the best BUT that was before all the OCZ firmware changes etc and there's a massive price premium on the Intels.
OCZ have been the best company bar none in recent months for their open-ness and support for their SSD's. In another thread (here) regarding their soon to be released firmware allowing for TRIM on Vista and XP someone asks if their frank discussions about what needs changing in their firmware etc is an admission of flaws in their design. I don't personally think so. I think that as Anand said early on in his 'SSD Anthology' article OCZ were slated last time that he reviewed them and that really hurt their sales figures, so this time around they were determined to get things right. In all the 'standard' benchmarks the figures are quoted for sustained reads and writes, but this is simply not a good reflection on real-world usage, and once Anand had pointed this out to OCZ's CEO along with his testing methodology they promised a revised firmware - and they delivered, and they continue to do so.
Vertex's are the ones to go for at the moment. You can get 2 x 60Gb Vertex's for around £360, or 1 x 80Gb Intel X25-M for £322...
To me that's a no-brainer. RAID up a couple of 60Gb Vertex's and you'll be far in excess of what the Intel can offer for a few quid more.
OCZ have been the best company bar none in recent months for their open-ness and support for their SSD's. In another thread (here) regarding their soon to be released firmware allowing for TRIM on Vista and XP someone asks if their frank discussions about what needs changing in their firmware etc is an admission of flaws in their design. I don't personally think so. I think that as Anand said early on in his 'SSD Anthology' article OCZ were slated last time that he reviewed them and that really hurt their sales figures, so this time around they were determined to get things right. In all the 'standard' benchmarks the figures are quoted for sustained reads and writes, but this is simply not a good reflection on real-world usage, and once Anand had pointed this out to OCZ's CEO along with his testing methodology they promised a revised firmware - and they delivered, and they continue to do so.
Vertex's are the ones to go for at the moment. You can get 2 x 60Gb Vertex's for around £360, or 1 x 80Gb Intel X25-M for £322...
To me that's a no-brainer. RAID up a couple of 60Gb Vertex's and you'll be far in excess of what the Intel can offer for a few quid more.
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ocz gets my vote over intel. price isn't worth it for x25-m, plus as mentioned the upcoming trim command support for vertexes. And if you get one with older firmware you can update it to one with trim support when it's available.
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I read somewhere (I think it's on AnandTech actually), that the Intel SSD's are guaranteed to be able to write 120GB of data every day for 5 years without ANY NAND blocks failing. Their target was 60GB per day, and they managed 120GB per day, which means their MLC flash blocks last about 4-5 times as long as they are meant to (40-50,000 writes as opposed to 10,000).
I'll see if I can find the article.
And the price for the Intel Mainstream isn't that bad compared to the 30GB vertex drives (both £4/GB). But higher capacity vertexes do beat the Intel SSD's.
I'll see if I can find the article.
And the price for the Intel Mainstream isn't that bad compared to the 30GB vertex drives (both £4/GB). But higher capacity vertexes do beat the Intel SSD's.
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Yeah but with buying more than one small drive you get the benefit of RAID possibilities.
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Damn right! And from what I've read SSD's scale better than any mechanical HDD too, mine are certainly blisteringly quick. I would've preffered 2 x 60Gb but they weren't in stock when I bought so just had to have 3 x 30Gb's instead - what a hardship!
Hmmm, well with the Trim update coming soon, I may just go with the vertexs as even though money was not really an issue I did say bang for buck was a major concern of mine. I bought an i7 because money was not an issue. I bought the 920 because Bang for buck was also a major factor.
Man Friday is almost here, and I can taste my new components already!!!! getting another psu for sli, monitor for my next PC build and of course an sdd hd. Yeah Boyeee!
Man Friday is almost here, and I can taste my new components already!!!! getting another psu for sli, monitor for my next PC build and of course an sdd hd. Yeah Boyeee!
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TRIM is out, check out the OCZ Forums.
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Yes the firmware to support TRIM is out (link here), but the TRIM App itself isn't out yet, and this would be needed to get the benefit of the commands in XP or Vista, and even some of the earlier versions of Win 7 don't have it as native yet. I'm gonna wait some more before flashing my Vertex's.