Nice idea as on checking in system settings my windows hadn't been activated and there was an error code. Ran the troubleshooter and it's activated. I wasn't getting any on screen warnings though before, and nothing has change re Timespy scores.
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Lost 1000 points on Timespy Graphics score after MB + CPU upgrade
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Nice idea as on checking in system settings my windows hadn't been activated and there was an error code. Ran the troubleshooter and it's activated. I wasn't getting any on screen warnings though before, and nothing has change re Timespy scores.
Sorry bud, can't see it. Would it be under memory settings?
It's probably the uncore clock in CPU-z or is slaved to it, don't know what it's called on the 11700, but given it's normal in CPU-z I doubt it's the problem. However, if you want to you could post a screenshot of HWInfo. Could you find it in the BIOS under the name FCLK?
Do you have Geforce Experience installed, sometimes the Share/Shadowplay overlay can cause lower graphics scores in 3DMark. You are absolutely positive that all your settings, drivers, software etc are the same?
Unfortunately at this point it's probably worth doing a fresh install of Windows or at least trying an older graphics driver in order to eliminate software as the cause. Although you can create a system image on an external/secondary drive using Windows Backup and Recovery so if it doesn't make any difference then you can restore from the image. Backup important files either way though.
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When you launch HW Info make sure you've selected Sensors-only not Summary-only.
May be worth messing with the gear settings for RAM if all else fails: https://www.techpowerup.com/280720/...loss-on-intel-rocket-lake-11th-gen-processors
@ltron Thanks for all the advice fella, but it's no good. Also I tried setting to gear 2 and it's worse and CPU score fell a lot to 10,225 (as expected really).
I've got a horrible feeling a windows reinstall won't do anything to help either.
I've got a horrible feeling a windows reinstall won't do anything to help either.
You did check using GPU-z that your GPU is running at X16 PCIE 4.0 and you are using the top slot? In case it's a bug with PCIE 4.0 (given it's Intel's first attempt) you could try forcing PCIE 3.0 (there should be a setting in the BIOS), that might work around the problem until a new BIOS that fixes it comes out.
It's strange, you'd expect Intel's latest tech to be better than their six year old stuff. If the above doesn't work then I'm stumped, sorry. Although if you could post some screenshots of HWInfo maybe that will give some clues.
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3090 is in the top slot and it's running at X16 PCIE 4.0 according to Gpuz. I'm not sure how to force PCIE 3 in the bios. Seems madness to do so but will have a look.
I've just done a repair/install in place of windows 10. It's made very little difference, small bump to 18,471 on the GPU score but small drop down on the CPU score. Interestingly on launching 3d Mark it prompted me to download and install updates for it, which never happened before I 'repaired' windows 10. Here's the new run https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61154504
As feared it's made **** all difference really. I'm not prepared to nuke everything and do a fresh windows install yet. Feeling pretty crap about wasting money and time on an 'upgrade' that's seemingly a downgrade. All these people telling me my 5930k on x99 was bottlenecking my 3090
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I looked at the manual on MSI's site and they don't list BIOS options anymore which is a new level of laziness. It should be either in the CPU section or maybe the System Agent section, I do think there is a decent chance of this being a PCIE 4 bug given your CPU score is as expected.3090 is in the top slot and it's running at X16 PCIE 4.0 according to Gpuz. I'm not sure how to force PCIE 3 in the bios. Seems madness to do so but will have a look.
I've just done a repair/install in place of windows 10. It's made very little difference, small bump to 18,471 on the GPU score but small drop down on the CPU score. Interestingly on launching 3d Mark it prompted me to download and install updates for it, which never happened before I 'repaired' windows 10. Here's the new run https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61154504
As feared it's made **** all difference really. I'm not prepared to nuke everything and do a fresh windows install yet. Feeling pretty crap about wasting money and time on an 'upgrade' that's seemingly a downgrade. All these people telling me my 5930k on x99 was bottlenecking my 3090
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Try searching for PCI in your BIOS if it has a search option and the setting you want refers to PCIE X16 Slot 1 in particular and the options should include PCIE4 as well previous PCIE versions (you don't want to get confused and change PCIE options for the chipset which are a maximum of PCIE 3 anyway).
I looked at the manual for an Asus B560 TUF board and on their board it's under System Agent Configuration, there is a setting called PEG Port Configuration and clicking on that allows you to change the PCIEX16_1 Link Speed. Maybe MSI has something similar.
I looked at the manual for an Asus B560 TUF board and on their board it's under System Agent Configuration, there is a setting called PEG Port Configuration and clicking on that allows you to change the PCIEX16_1 Link Speed. Maybe MSI has something similar.
Also, if forcing PCIE 3 doesn't work then there is a way to reinstall Windows while keeping all your files and programs. I believe you can do it using the Media Creation Tool. If you want to try this then backup your important files and follow guide from step 6: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/16397-repair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade.html.
Edit: I see you've already done this. Whoops
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.found settings for two pcie which i believe are the right ones. inside were options for auto, gen1, gen2, gen3, gen4. i set to gen 3 for both. checking gpuz it does now say pcie x16 3.0.
latest run of timespy shows slight increase on gpu score to 18,528, but cpu score has gone down to only 10,933 ! that sucks.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61156223
also, if forcing pcie 3 doesn't work then there is a way to reinstall windows while keeping all your files and programs. i believe you can do it using the media creation tool. if you want to try this then backup your important files and follow guide from step 6: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/16397-repair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade.html.
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Yep, I've done exactly that method. Only took about 20 mins.
Things just got more interesting though, the new RAM I ordered arrived! Its a Crucial Ballistix 32GB (2 x16) 3600Mhz cl16. It's the single rank not dual rank stuff though. I put it in and it's running at xmp but with the lower timings I had before for the old stuff (CL15). The 3D MArk link just above is with that new RAM. Could that be the worse CPU score?! Losing the will to live now!
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I totally understand you being hesitant doing that.
Do you have a spare SSD or can't you get one?
Make it the boot drive (unplug you're existing boot drive for safety). Install windows, drivers, 3dMark etc and you'd find out if a full reinstall is needed.
I would check you set all those RAM settings back to auto. An easy way to do this is set BIOS to optimised defaults, save the changes and then just re-enable XMP. It's easy to forget which settings have been changed and Timespy CPU score is very RAM dependent. Don't use CL15 just use the CL16 XMP settings for now.
It seems your problems have nothing to do with PCIE 4.0 then. I would follow five8five's advice if none of this works.
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I can't believe I didn't ask this before: if you remove your undervolt and just run the 3090 at pure stock what score do you get then? Maybe something about your new system doesn't like the undervolt.
running my 3090FE at pure stock follows exactly the same pattern. Got a GPU score of 18,767 just. Before at stock I used to get a GPU score around 19,300. So it's following the same consistent pattern of being about 600 points under what it used to be regardless of stock or my several undervolt curve presets.
Latest run with GPUat stock: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61161925
I know 600 points might not sound huge, but it's the principle 'aint it. How can a 6 year old platform be performing better for my 3090 than this new kit???
@five8five I've ordered a cheapo small SSD off the Rainforest and will probably do what you suggest. At least then I'll know. It will send me mental if I nuke windows and lose everything onlly to get the same results....
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Yes, it's crazy and I've got no idea why it's happening. By the way, single rank memory can definitely affect the Timespy CPU score if you're wondering.
If it is a quirk of the 11th gen Intel series then maybe it is a waste of sand as Gamers Nexus said (no disrespect meant regarding your choice to purchase it).
Is that why I'm seeing a lower CPU score with my new RAM then?
As I understand it, my old corsair 16GB 3000Mhz is 4x4GB sticks of single rank, which as a foursome acts as dual rank.
My new 3600Mhz Ballistix RAM, also single rank, as it's only 2 sticks acts only as single rank. Is that right?
If so I may as well send this 32GB kit of ballistix back and stay with my 16Gb 4 sticks no? Even though they only run at 3000Mhz I'm seeing better results. And given they are cl15 they probably have overclocking headroom. 6 year old hardware wins again!
What's going on, I'm genuinely thinking there was zero point in me upgrading from my 5930k on x99 with quad channel ram.
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