Exactly. Would strike me as just a little bizarre. Particularly only a year apart too. I’ll put the CGI rumour firmly in the ‘load of ****’ category of the internet then
LOTR UHD discs through Panasonic UB820 and 1080p projector, WOW
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the original cgi, was not 4K back then ? so I didn't really understand this. (not sure what the best in class 4k cgi movie is tenet?)
I can see they can 're-master' CGI by doing a better up-scaling to 4K though, and some digital touching-up,
such a cut, would be interesting to see at the cinema. - where is a good link on whast they did ?
Interesting that the panasonic player will convert uhd/hdr colour-space to sdr, but, why didn't they provide a new sdr/1080p(or4k) cut on the disks too ?
Exactly. Would strike me as just a little bizarre. Particularly only a year apart too. I’ll put the CGI rumour firmly in the ‘load of ****’ category of the internet then
I don't think using the argument that people that bought this years release would be in uproar if they did, as any sort of proof that CGI is not been redone.
People buying the movies now, know that this release isn't the 20th Anniversary edition. And, I don't know if the release next year will have CGI redone or not, but, if they are going to do it then next years version would the one that they would do it for. It would be a great way for them to get people who normally don't spend money on extras to buy the anniversary edition. And it would give people who bought this years edition a reason to buy the Anniversary edition. Or should I say another reason to buy
because lets be honest here, a lot of the people who are buying this years edition are fans and will probably end up buying next years edition anyway.
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I don't think using the argument that people that bought this years release would be in uproar if they did, as any sort of proof that CGI is not been redone.
People buying the movies now, know that this release isn't the 20th Anniversary edition. And, I don't know if the release next year will have CGI redone or not, but, if they are going to do it then next years version would the one that they would do it for. It would be a great way for them to get people who normally don't spend money on extras to buy the anniversary edition. And it would give people who bought this years edition a reason to buy the Anniversary edition. Or should I say another reason to buy
I've been following this release for a long time before it came out. It was understood this release was the base movie without the additional content, and that the release next year would be the big release with all the fluff left out. For a big price as one great big collectors edition.
I mean if you have something to show us that the CGI is being redone, show me? Rumours of redone CGI coming next year only started after this release. It would be great if it was, but I'm sure Peter Jackson has finished working on the movies quite some time ago.
If you think back to the VHS, DVD and BluRay release we had the exact same release schedule. Base movies, then the collectors followed many months later.
We watched greatest showman UHD disc last night, superb detail with costumes, velvet looks like velvet, new patterns on materials previously unnoticed. Initial garish colours make the film much more fun.
We own the standard blu ray of the greatest showman for what it's worth.
Sound track is amazing, close to Hans Zimmer live in Prague Atmos disc.
Moral of the story standard 1080p blu rays are compromised in terms of bit information with the video and great advances are made with UHD discs, even when played on a 1080p native panel device.
We own the standard blu ray of the greatest showman for what it's worth.
Sound track is amazing, close to Hans Zimmer live in Prague Atmos disc.
Moral of the story standard 1080p blu rays are compromised in terms of bit information with the video and great advances are made with UHD discs, even when played on a 1080p native panel device.
Sorry for late reply, wasn't online over Xmas. I don't know if the CGI is going to be redone or not. All I am saying is that if there was going to be a version where they are going to do it then the release next fall would be the one.
Rumours of the CGI been redone started long before the 4K version was released. It was been discussed months ago on various forums.
And going back to the Bluray release (can't remember the DVD releases) They did improve the Picture Quality between the Base movie and collectors editions released the following the year. Although the improvements did cause a bit of controversy. While the picture quality got a lot better, the green tinge on everything was like marmite. Some people loved it and others hated it.
My point is that they if there was a version of the movie that they will pull out all the stops for, the 20 anniversary edition coming next fall would be the one they will do it for.
Yeah we watched greatest showman yday and family think its up their with best film of all time. this is on a projector & 5.1.2 arendal system.
saw on the OLED using the OLED speakers as it was on by chance.. and they thought it was a stupidly bad experience compared to the above.
greatest showman is a visual and auditory feast but it needs the right gear to live up to its potential imo..
What's annoying with greatest showman is the opening song with all that bass impact is used in the disc menu!
So what I do now if we watch it is mute the system, hit play then unmute.
My setup renders it all well, the bass makes people shut up it's so visceral hehe.
Hans Zimmer atmos disc highly recommended cranked up.
So what I do now if we watch it is mute the system, hit play then unmute.
My setup renders it all well, the bass makes people shut up it's so visceral hehe.
Hans Zimmer atmos disc highly recommended cranked up.
Batman Dark Knight car chase scene is still my favourite. I have a nearfield sub atm and I feel it in my body as he drives in the motorbike. Can't wait to install a hoverboss whenever I get the setup to do so.
Went through all 3 films on the C9 oled. A great watch and much improved over the Bluray version. Not the sharpest or cleanest films I've seen but a great improvement none the less.
Best 4k Blurays to date for me have to be Joker and Tenet so far watched.
Best 4k Blurays to date for me have to be Joker and Tenet so far watched.
hadn';t appreciated the discs supposedly have a 4k DI https://ultrahd.highdefdigest.com/91320/thelordoftheringsthetwotowers4kuhdbluray.html
Does that mean the green screen and any CGI were also, originally done at 4K though ?, or a lower resolution subsequently up-scaled. - confused.com
Does that mean the green screen and any CGI were also, originally done at 4K though ?, or a lower resolution subsequently up-scaled. - confused.com
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Basically this.
Some shots were stunning, others looked DNR'd to death. That scene where Aragorn goes over the cliff and Legolas' forehead is so blurred it looks like a texture hasn't loaded in a video game.
As for the CGI being redone in 4k. It ain't going to happen.
As far as I'm aware there isn't a single UHD remaster or new release that had 2k CGI originally that's had the CGI redone in 4k. They're are all upscales or in a few rare cases was 4k to start with (Mortal Engines is one)
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Thought i'd add some info. So I was an idiot and put on the non-extended version of the return of the king, where it's all fitted onto one disc. We basically got to the end of the film before realising lol.
Last night we finished the extended version over two discs and it looks dramatically different, far better PQ and CGI looked better too I reckon. To me this demonstrates potentially higher video bit rate when spread over two discs.
Per above i've got Joker on blu ray as an xmas gift to watch!
Mulan even streamed on Disney plus is exceptionally sharp IMO and not a bad film either.
Last night we finished the extended version over two discs and it looks dramatically different, far better PQ and CGI looked better too I reckon. To me this demonstrates potentially higher video bit rate when spread over two discs.
Per above i've got Joker on blu ray as an xmas gift to watch!
Mulan even streamed on Disney plus is exceptionally sharp IMO and not a bad film either.
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CGI is rendered out at a specific resolution. It is then given to compositors to 'add' into the film scans. Typically if you were working at 2k res you'd want to match the render to the film scan size. I'd guess that they'd upsampled the previous CGI to match 4k film scans. Upsampling can look ok but it's not the same as re-texturing, re-lighting, and re-rendering (which FYI takes a hell of a long time and thus money at 4k HDR).
The sheer logistics of digging out all the original files, textures etc for the CG is a huge effort in itself and would have needed some serious workflow management in order to match exactly which version of the source file was the version that made it to the master. It could literally take years, and not all of the files are necessarily still available. Backing up 20 years ago would likely have been onto large format tape rather than cloud backup. Finding and restoring those tapes would take a lot of time too.
Better compositing is probably what they mean by remastering, getting the CG to fit better with the higher res plate (the shot footage). By fit that generally entails colour matching things better, figuring out how lighting in the scene is cast onto CG objects. Making sure black, mid and white points (highlights) match. There will have been advancements in compositing tools since the release of the film too which may help with things like particles etc.
I don't work on feature films but do make a living from 3D, VFX, animation, video editing, compositing, and colour grading, so have a good idea about how it all works in the film world.
The sheer logistics of digging out all the original files, textures etc for the CG is a huge effort in itself and would have needed some serious workflow management in order to match exactly which version of the source file was the version that made it to the master. It could literally take years, and not all of the files are necessarily still available. Backing up 20 years ago would likely have been onto large format tape rather than cloud backup. Finding and restoring those tapes would take a lot of time too.
Better compositing is probably what they mean by remastering, getting the CG to fit better with the higher res plate (the shot footage). By fit that generally entails colour matching things better, figuring out how lighting in the scene is cast onto CG objects. Making sure black, mid and white points (highlights) match. There will have been advancements in compositing tools since the release of the film too which may help with things like particles etc.
I don't work on feature films but do make a living from 3D, VFX, animation, video editing, compositing, and colour grading, so have a good idea about how it all works in the film world.
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The highlight odf this on 4k (well doesn't matter as it's sound I'm mentioning), is when the hottie sings on stage in white is it and Hugh is at the side gawping... with my new calibrated system (11.1 in a 7.1.4 config) is absolutely incredible... in all my 46 years, not heard anything send hairs on back of neck but this did it...