You don't need double but I think how mine are currently configured i get 1 hot spare so effectively if I had 8x 4TB I would lose 1x 4TB drive as a hot spare. So total volume would be 28TB of the 32TB available to the NAS. You do lose a bit but having some redundancy built in will pay dividends in the long run.
lots of internal 3.5" HDD's
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You don't need double but I think how mine are currently configured i get 1 hot spare so effectively if I had 8x 4TB I would lose 1x 4TB drive as a hot spare. So total volume would be 28TB of the 32TB available to the NAS. You do lose a bit but having some redundancy built in will pay dividends in the long run.
Soldato
Living life in the digital world it would seem. Looks like you dont have much choice than to buy more HDD's - Personally at this point I would be seriously considering a decent NAS like a qnap or something and migrating everything onto that.
Unless she is very organised 28tb of data strewn around the place should make for a lengthy project of sorting and storing. I run 3 different NAS boxes and the qnap are my preferred nas. grab something like this (image from one of my qnap nas boxes):
fill it with some disks and re-purpose her disks into the NAS would be what id be considering.
Yeah I didn't want to mentionTo give an idea I run 2x HP StoreOnce 4500 devices that back up our entire VM estate, they can hold raw data volumes of 24TB each device and are currently operating at a dedupe ratio of 3.72:1 so to back up her data you could opt to spend 10k + on a 4500
Never mind the cost
In case gave them a heart attack lol
so what actually happens when one drive fails in that set up? can you just physically remove the failed drive and all your data is one the remaining drives?
I am thinking that I should buy her another 8TB drive (for £170) and tell her to make some extra copies on that drives of her important files!
Correct - Simply remove the broken drive (all data is still safe and accessible) - pop a new drive in and she rebuilds herself like nothing happened.
although thinking about she wont routinely keep that backed up (hence the mess that we are in now with her having 28TB of storage when its not necessary just because she dosent keep her files clean) and that the NAS with redundancy will avoid her having to do anything.
Soldato
Good idea
But All the while stuff comes from the bank of dad
They will say every single mb is the important stuff lol
But yeah seriously even if only some is actually important
No backups is going to end up in tears at some point
amazing - I will probably have to go down this route for her. I am getting bored and would like a new challenge and something new to learn (and some new equipment) and this sounds like it.
Not to mention it forces her to move stuff.
Soldato
Use scheduled backups
Then she doesn't have to be involved in having to do it
Once backed up can do incremental backups
But if they insist all that data's important can't see a simple solution
Or a cheap one either
Then she doesn't have to be involved in having to do it
Once backed up can do incremental backups
But if they insist all that data's important can't see a simple solution
Or a cheap one either
if I get one of these then it can be house at my house and she doesn't need to physically have it at derby Uni. her PC is heavy enough for me to carry (probably due to the amount of HDD's in it) there and back during the holidays as it is. yes when I set it up it will force her to move/tidy her stuff.
She will even be able to access her files remotely. Win, win!
I should probably explain that almost all nas devices come with this provision.
Put simply - No it is not. 28TB of data for a single modelling course with no backups. Hell no it isn't normal. Also id be questioning if all 28TB are genuinely used for modeling etc seems incredibly unlikely to me. You sure she isn't torrenting the world and that the PC is in fact full of copious amounts of illegally downloaded films, music and software? Id put almost 0% chance that even 10TB is genuine work.
Fwiw I did a games programming, 3d modelling etc as part of my computer science degree and the projects we tended to work with were all relatively small, normally something like VRML with simple models and were more to get to grips with fundamentals of modelling and writing code to manipulate the models. Mind you even once rendered out and with the project files saved a very detailed model say 90,000 polygons and a decent level of detail you are looking at <30mb for the model files.
for example:
rendered out you might be looking at 100 or so mb, so if you extrapolate that out in models alone you would need 40 relatively high detail models for 1gb so 40,000 high detail models to fill a TB. you see where I am going with this... 28tb would in fact be 1.12 million models.
Video and youtube editing is a little different but I wouldn't expect that you would keep all A roll after a video is published because well at that point it is on youtube. so unless there are vast amounts of video it imo is still super unlikely. Perhaps she is ripping blue ray movies? a typical blue ray is 15gb to 30gb in size so that 28tb usage is around 1000 blue ray movies worth of space consumed.
Im just trying to point out the scale here.... Do you think your daughter has made 1.12 million high detail models or has ripped nearly 1000 blue rays to her machine? This is the level of data hording we are talking about here.
what jobs etc did your computer science degree lead onto?
although my daughter is studying games modelling and animation hey say that only a small proportion go onto making games, and for my daughter she got lymphatic cancer the 1st week into her course and is still weak now and having to forgo the placement (and probably wont want to move far for a job) - hence even less likely to get some jobs -(although presumably she may be able to work from home?)
So a little overview of my career, forst job i worked in a small niche dev house developing software, from there I moved into management and a contracting role where I mostly ran infrastricture projects all over the country.
I now work for an IP law firm where I am head of IT and technical lead which covers everything from building out rhobust infrastructure to coding alongside my dev team. I work probably 50% from home and 50% on site but really there is nothing stopping me working only from home other than the social/ mental health issues with being confined to home all the time.
I wouldnt worry about her ability to find work, her degree, if she takes it seriously will set her up in this space.
will she notice any lag? can she install her steam games and application programmes on the NAS? is there anything other than windows that shouldn't go on the NAS?
Obviously I don't want to spend too much and hence buying 8TB Seagate barracuda computes for £160 rather than ironwold nas 8Tb for £230. Am I ok to stick to the cheaper compute HDD's as say getting a total of 4 HDD's (she already has 2) and the NAS is a few hundred£.
That depends on the speed of internet connections etc but generally they offer good performance. There is no reason at all why you cant use cheaper drives, they dont need to be nas specific or compute specific drives.
Steam and games as well as programs stay local.
should the HDD's ideally be the same type and capacity or dosent that matter?
if I get the 4 bay can I just start off by putting 2 HDD's in there?
if I get the 4 bay can I just start off by putting 2 HDD's in there?
You can mix and match drives to a degree and tier off storage etc. There are plenty of options personally i stick with drives of the same size to keep things easy but you can build it up in many ways.
Also nothing stopping you starting with 2 and building it out that way.
perhaps I try that qnap 4 bay https://www.overclockers.co.uk/qnap-4-bay-network-attached-storage-ts-451-2g-hd-066-qn.html
and put her two 8TB Seagate computes in it (and later expand to more of the 8TB computes if needed)
and put her two 8TB Seagate computes in it (and later expand to more of the 8TB computes if needed)
Sounds like a solid plan to me. Id enforce cleanage before new toys become available.
This is crucial, as if not she will just make the same mistakes and the NAS will fill very quickly, then it'll be back to Dad to sort it all out again.
If everytime she wants more storage you open the wallet and bail her out what lessons it that teaching her, when you get to the level of storage needs she's got (I don't for 1 minute believe everything she has is crucial as I bet she has duplicated most of it across all of her current drives) it's never going to be cheap or quick to resolve, she needs to clean that up and then you copy stuff to the NAS (when she's home so you can connect both PC and NAS to the router and they do a local network copy rather than over the internet) and after that set backups and it should make it relatively quick to incrementally backup.
I can bet that 2-3 months after the above is done though that she's filled it up again because she's never had to perform any kind of housekeeping as you've always just bought her another Hdd.