Love Britain ? - Vote UKIP.

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cheesyboy said:
You didn't experience the shortage of builders in the '90s then?

You had to wait bloody months to get anything done. Jobs were available, people weren't filling them
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A joinery apprenticeship takes 4 years for full qualification, you don't just get joiners out of fresh air, they take time but they are skills for life.

The lack of training for our young are getting currently is shocking. Even if they get trained there's no point doing the work because Mr Eastern European will work for £60 a day whilst living off beans and rice so he can send the money home where its worth double.
 
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Zefan said:
If you look at that graph, the annual growth of borrowing is decreasing. If this trend continues it's perfectly reasonable to expect public annual borrowing to level off and shock horror - the public debt may even shrink. If anything that graph proves that the current government have slammed the brakes on, wouldn't you say it's polite to give them time to come to a halt before changing driver?
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The Government MAYBE on track to meet its fiscal mandate, but not its supplementary debt target.

The whole of the EU has gone to pot. Time to leave the sinking ship.
 
Moradin said:
A few points raised:-

It was mentioned that it was moved to general, from speakers corner, because it was not designed to promote debate.

The 6 pages of almost illogical rants behind this post, i guess you can consider debate. the posts with 'No's being the basic instinct of a monkey grunting in its cage.
Too stupid to define, why, or ignorant in the knowledge to understand.

Why do people not understand ? - the country is full - our taxes are paying for people who have never, and will never, contribute to the system.
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We are not FULL, we are just more crowded than you would like. We have plenty of space (including vertical), should we need more buildings.
Open, mass, unrestricted immigration, is probably the worst thing a government can do to its citizens.

Housing, Crime, the NHS, Doctors, Dentists, Road Traffic, Pollution.. you name it, everything is affected. (in a bad way).
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Crime is falling globally, and in the UK, immigration doesn't seem to have had any effect. The NHS is an example of an organisation that has benefitted. Traffic and pollution are problems with greater populations exaberate you are right. Though they wouldn't be solved with less immigration alone.
In my original post, i outlined in simple terms, why, the LibLabCon had failed this country. you can go and check the facts for yourselves.. but they are essentially true.

Why do you think that even a bunch of trained chimps sitting at computers could do worse? the country is already about as fu***** as it can get.

The national debt, is £1,400,000,000,000,000 thats around £55,000 per household in the UK. its rising by £200,000,000,000 per annum.

Do you not understand the poverty and misery that is going to befall our children because of this?

And every single day, the government borrows £54,000,000 and gives it to a golf club, called the EU.. so they can make laws, for you to conform to.
every.. single... day...

I see people complain on this thread, about various things. and yet, despite decades of the same old politicians in power. they don't have the thought to say ''enough is enough'' someone else needs to try.
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This is the part I agree with.

The mainstream parties have successfully convinced the British public that the argument for UKIP is solely immigration - It is not.
Some of my familly were UKIP activists until the whole ban the burka fiasco, which led to conservative idiots joining the local branch and changing the message completley

EU membership is incredibly expensive, and is loosing its worth as time goes on. We do not need futher law creep, we do not need continuous expansion into the east and poorer, less developed countries. We do not benefit from the billions spent of improving - and subsquently bailing out - the southern states. It is just not in our interest.

What we do need is for business to become easier between EU countries, to allow cross-state enterprises to grow. All of the big EU businesses I can think of are National first, global second, EU third - Tesco, Vodafone, Siemens, Nestle etc... This is completely perverse and the opposite of EUs basic intentions, yet nothing is done. I work for a medium sized uk company, and our EU presence is a fraction of our presence globally, and nothing compared to our presence at home. This is not the way a business should grow in a common market.

I struggle to think of things which the EU has done for the benefit of the UK, which the UK would not have done of its own accord. What benefit have we gotten in terms of foreign policy? What real benefit have the fisheries and agriculture policies given us that we would have not done ourselves? None.

The free movement of peoples is all good and well, but a visa system works just fine for the emmigrants of the UK, as by and large we export talented educated Britons into skilled jobs in companies who would be able to afford a visa sponsorship, and getting a holiday visa is practically trivial.

These are the reasons I will probably vote UKIP.
 
cheesyboy said:
There were more than 1million unemployed in the '90s too. They didn't take the jobs.
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Yes because every single one of those were physically able to work on a building site and already pre-trained construction workers.

All of em.

They were all long term unemployed and none of them were unemployed for personal reasons or just going through the normal employment grinder of being inbetween jobs because that never happens. Just so you are aware most governments would class that unemployment percentage as close to full employment as people are unique and there will always be some who currently aren't working for one reason or another, no matter how dynamic the economy is.
 
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Kemik said:
Problem is a fair portion of them either don't want to work at all, refuse to work for the money provided, or are holding out for a graduate role. Dominoes UK CEO said he could create thousands more jobs if people were actually willing to fill them.
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Dominoes.....

£17.49 for one large pepperoni passion prepared by bored spotty teenagers and graduates who dream of a better life

vs

2 large pizzas for £10 at my local Halal pizzeria that sits in an old papajohns unit that still has the papajohns marketing on the walls prepared by a hard working dedicated family of immigrants, using higher quality ingredients and better tasting pizzas.

God bless the immigrants
 
dirtychinchilla said:
OK, how does one measure change? Should I cite changes which have occurred in the last 20 years?
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You said "a very small proportion of the population are actually resistant to change."
Now put up or shut up. You're always doing this in threads changing your mind..HOLD ON that's why you like change!

And stop answering a question with a question.
 
I am answering a question with a question because I don't understand how you expect me to give a measure of something which is simply observable. We have experienced great change in the last however many years, a change in attitudes towards sexuality, towards religion, towards choice, towards energy, towards climate change etc. I really don't think that this can be quantified, but it can clearly be seen. The fact that these changes have occurred should, in my opinion, be sufficient proof that we are a progressive country who is not afraid of change.
 
Moradin said:
Open, mass, unrestricted immigration, is probably the worst thing a government can do to its citizens.
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Immigration from outside the EU is very restricted.. yet the top countries from which people arrived in 2013 were India and China. How do you explain this?


Do you not understand the poverty and misery that is going to befall our children because of this?

And every single day, the government borrows £54,000,000 and gives it to a golf club, called the EU.. so they can make laws, for you to conform to.
every.. single... day...
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In 1950 the UK debt was 250% of its GDP - which is three times than what it is today. It was gradually decreased through growth and inflation and the children you're so worried about (the boomers) ended up being richer, on average, than any other generation. How do you explain this?


I see people complain on this thread, about various things. and yet, despite decades of the same old politicians in power. they don't have the thought to say ''enough is enough'' someone else needs to try.
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It's not that they don't want someone else, it's that the "someone" you represent are a bunch of irrational, xenophobic lunatics.

I'm a UKIP candidate, supporter, and activist. i leaflet with a guy as black as the ace of spades, and a little indian guy call mo, cos no one can pronounce his real name.

yea, call me racist all you like.
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As long as your fellow candidates aren't former kidnapping gang bosses, I'm sure they are lovely, yet severely misguided people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26019668
 
kitch9 said:
Yes because every single one of those were physically able to work on a building site and already pre-trained construction workers.

All of em.

They were all long term unemployed and none of them were unemployed for personal reasons or just going through the normal employment grinder of being inbetween jobs because that never happens. Just so you are aware most governments would class that unemployment percentage as close to full employment as people are unique and there will always be some who currently aren't working for one reason or another, no matter how dynamic the economy is.
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And yet, by your previous complaints, the current unemployed are only being kept out of those same jobs by Johnny foreigner?

Your argument lacks consistency. You're not another of those swivel eyed loons are you?
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I am answering a question with a question because I don't understand how you expect me to give a measure of something which is simply observable. We have experienced great change in the last however many years, a change in attitudes towards sexuality, towards religion, towards choice, towards energy, towards climate change etc. I really don't think that this can be quantified, but it can clearly be seen. The fact that these changes have occurred should, in my opinion, be sufficient proof that we are a progressive country who is not afraid of change.
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Of course we shouldn't, but we also shouldn't be afraid of who we are or be scared to speak our minds for fear of offending others.

Multiculturalism doesn't work its a simple as that, the differing religions can't get on and they are all offended by each other. People of differing languages can't communicate to each other so it all just breeds resentment, hate and instinctual segregation which leads to social unrest.

Its great when you don't live in an area where that is actually happening, you can pretend everything is gravy, street parties and bunting like the Libdems.
 
kitch9 said:
Why would a school leaver aspire to work a Dominoes full time? A lot are looking for the avenue that will provide their life career, the one that will fulfill their dreams and aspirations. They don't exist anymore, the apprenticeships that were abundant only 15 years ago have gone because large firms simply don't need them as there's an abundance of scarily cheap foreign labour willing to live in a bedsit and send every spare quid back home where its worth much more to them.

Dominoes? Lol!
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This is exactly the problem. Maybe they should take the job to pay for the basics in life instead of sitting on the dole? No one says it has to be a permanent role and who knows, they might enjoy working there! It gives a large number of basic skills and they might get promoted if they're good. Then they might get promoted again. Two years down the line they could be a supervisor, then an assistant manager, then store manager, and onwards.

A job is just what you make of it.
 
cheesyboy said:
And yet, by your previous complaints, the current unemployed are only being kept out of those same jobs by Johnny foreigner?

Your argument lacks consistency. You're not another of those swivel eyed loons are you?
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Only a swivel eyed loon could construe that from what I said, especially when we were discussing youth unemployment which is a genuine issue.

Maybe read the thread a bit?
 
Kemik said:
This is exactly the problem. Maybe they should take the job to pay for the basics in life instead of sitting on the dole? No one says it has to be a permanent role and who knows, they might enjoy working there! It gives a large number of basic skills and they might get promoted if they're good. Then they might get promoted again. Two years down the line they could be a supervisor, then an assistant manager, then store manager, and onwards.

A job is just what you make of it.
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Being a pizza boy does not solve the youth employment issue, sorry.
 
kitch9 said:
Multiculturalism doesn't work its a simple as that,
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Are you joking? It's people like UKIP (I'm not saying alone, certain other cultures don't necessarily help themselves) who aid in the stalling of multiculturalism by using scare tactics to label everyone that they dislike.

We live in a multicultural society, built on multiculturalism, which was operated on multiculturalism in the apparent golden age, when most UKIP voters were born, and which has always operated on multiculturalism.

I'm not denying that there are problems with multiculturalism, but to say that it doesn't work is just ********. I'm sure the great Nigel Farage would even disagree with you (particularly considering his German wife).
 
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