'low profile' speaker suggestions

I too have a Kef T series 5.1 setup in my lounge. I have Kef T101 fronts and rears with a Kef T301c centre. These are paired with a BK XLS200 sub crossed at about 120hz. The room requires very shallow mount TV and speakers due to the way you walk through it close to the TV, so the TV is an OLED mounted with a very thin bracket. The sub doesn't really have a place to go on the TV side so it sits kind of on the back wall close to the corner between two sofas. It's the forward facing XLS200 which I got to fire back I to the room to give a bit more punch for music, although I am told the down firing and forward firing sound largely similar.

It's all a compromise to have a nice lounge with speakers you can barely see. All wires are hidden. The white kefs and sub all blend with the white and grey decor nicely and it's very unimposing and stealth imo. Yet I still have a nice 5.1 system.

The whole setup sounds to me very, very good for TV and movies. Yes, music is never going to sound as good as with more manly fronts, but if you like modern electronic music with synthy bass drops and you crank the sub up, it's pretty good for parties and stuff as we have it also linked up to multiple Amazon echos for multi room.

For 5.1 duties I have had most people say it's ace. At the end of the day, not many people have much more than a soundbar so any good 5.1 still sounds amazing to them. Depends on your expectations. I think most of the people on here who diss Kef thin lines, are comparing them in their head to B&W behemoth floor standers, which is dumb.

Name other thin lines that are better than the T series, look good and mount as thin, and are as cheap. I couldn't find anything when I looked.
I have had this setup for a couple of years now and can't see me changing in this house unless the room changes.
 
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I just noticed you posted that "objective" review from that forum.

In that review it looks like he might only use a single T101 speaker. Even if it was a pair of T101 speakers, he doesn't use them in the intended way, which is wall mounted in conjunction with a subwoofer.

You expect me to take serious a forum post review with such ridiculous flaws?

Are there any more reviews that are actually done properly that say the T series is "rubbish"?

Using special equipment to measure sound characteristics and deem it good or not is a nonsense anyway. Sound quality is an inherently subjective thing. Everyone hears things differently. The vast majority of people that have used the T Series think they sound good. That is what actually matters not some curve on a chart.

PSU testing

Objective


Subjective

"Ooooh that PSU has a nice sticker and has RGB lighting how cool is that"
 
hahahaha.

OK you are clearly trolling and don't have anything constructive to add. Going on the ignore list.

I too have a Kef T series 5.1 setup in my lounge. I have Kef T101 fronts and rears with a Kef T301c centre. These are paired with a BK XLS200 sub crossed at about 120hz. The room requires very shallow mount TV and speakers due to the way you walk through it close to the TV, so the TV is an OLED mounted with a very thin bracket. The sub doesn't really have a place to go on the TV side so it sits kind of on the back wall close to the corner between two sofas. It's the forward facing XLS200 which I got to fire back I to the room to give a bit more punch for music, although I am told the down firing and forward firing sound largely similar.

It's all a compromise to have a nice lounge with speakers you can barely see. All wires are hidden. The white kefs and sub all blend with the white and grey decor nicely and it's very unimposing and stealth imo. Yet I still have a nice 5.1 system.

The whole setup sounds to me very, very good for TV and movies. Yes, music is never going to sound as good as with more manly fronts, but if you like modern electronic music with synthy bass drops and you crank the sub up, it's pretty good for parties and stuff as we have it also linked up to multiple Amazon echos for multi room.

For 5.1 duties I have had most people say it's ace. At the end of the day, not many people have much more than a soundbar so any good 5.1 still sounds amazing to them. Depends on your expectations. I think most of the people on hear who diss Kef thin lines, are comparing them in their head to B&W behemoth floor standers, which is dumb.

Name other thin lines that are better than the T series, look good and mount as thin, and are as cheap. I couldn't find anything when I looked.
I have had this setup for a couple of years now and can't see me changing in this house unless the room changes.

This matches my feelings too. They sound really good for what they are. Obviously there are superior sounding speakers out there but compared to most mid range floorstanding and bookshelf speakers, the T series are able to hold there own in the sound quality department.

I have owned Monitor Audio Bronze Floorstanders with matching centre and surrounds and I would say the KEF T series is on par with them sonically but the KEF's absolutely beat them in the aesthetic and practicality metrics.
 
Did you completely ignore my last post?

I posted multiple reviews by professional reviewers who all thought the KEF T series were very good. I did a Google search and couldn't find a bad review.

Please explain to me how they are "objectively rubbish".

Yes I totally ignored those subjective tests. I've already informed you they are indeed objectively rubbish.

Disagree? That's your problem you can't accept facts. Response is all over the place.
 
OK you are clearly trolling and don't have anything constructive to add. Going on the ignore list.



This matches my feelings too. They sound really good for what they are. Obviously there are superior sounding speakers out there but compared to most mid range floorstanding and bookshelf speakers, the T series are able to hold there own in the sound quality department.

I have owned Monitor Audio Bronze Floorstanders with matching centre and surrounds and I would say the KEF T series is on par with them sonically but the KEF's absolutely beat them in the aesthetic and practicality metrics.

awww, having a tantrum when presented with facts, don't understand scientific testing and results, hurt feelings because you bought that product.
 
Yes I totally ignored those subjective tests. I've already informed you they are indeed objectively rubbish.

Disagree? That's your problem you can't accept facts. Response is all over the place.

One last chance before going on ignore.

You seem to lend a lot of credibility to that one test. They seem to have all the proper gear to do a scientific test of the speakers. Do you not acknowledge that they are not testing the speakers the way they are designed to be used?

The speakers were designed to be wall mounted and that clearly has an effect on the sound characteristics. Do you agree that speakers mounted to a wall will sound different to speakers on a stand away from a wall?

How can you take seriously test results of a speaker when they are not being tested properly?

Setting aside being "objective".

Let's talk about the subjective. Do you not lend any credence to the multitude of positive experiences from both reviewers and owners? The vast majority of owners seem to be very happy with their purchase. Many, myself included consider the T series to be "speakers for life" with no desire to replace them. Surely that sort of endorsement speaks louder (pun intended) than someone who has had a loan of a speaker, attached a mic to it and declared it as rubbish because a line on a graph is not where it is supposed to be (whilst not testing it in a scientifically rigorous manner in the first place).

I hope you can take the time to respond in a thorough and thoughtful manner as I would like to establish if you actually think the T series is rubbish based off of this one review or if your opinion is based on more than that.
 
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Marketing for those reviews, means the product gets a five star product? Yeah that's really unbiased lol

Again, subjective and objective, it's fine having personal opinions but audioscience is not about how you feel you like them. It upsets people, but that isn't the goal.

The testing method is testing the speaker, not room interactions. How do you know what wall type is going to be used? Plasterboard, brick, wallpaper, stone, etc all play a part.

How can you serously take what hifi 5 star product when they don't even do REW testing themselves?

LOL he tested it more scientific manner than what hifi. How is personal opinion scientific? If you don't like it, why don't you buy the same measuring equpment and verify it yourself?

Some brands have a "house sound" like B&W mid bass and HF boost

If you want semi accurate frequency response, don't buy the Kef T101

The T101 has cabinet resonance also, again shoddy design. They are compromised, the FR of them is terrible. And before you think I'm crapping on the Kef brand


That's mine.
 
T series are a thin line speaker with compromises. That's never been disputed. Quoting their technical specifications against baselines from other tests suited to full range larger enclosure speakers is only ever going to paint them in poor light. I don't really see the point in that. If you want to knock products like these to boost your ego whilst staring at your big bulky floor standers, that's cool. Crack on. We will continue to have lounges that resemble lounges and look sleek and modern. Plus happy wife equals happy life. ;)

The t series sound really good in real life usage in my personal experience. I've had and heard some decent stuff too. They're totally fine.

I have a thin line subwoofer in my car. I wouldn't expect it to compete against huge magnet, decibel orientated subs so I don't test it against such. Common sense. I also have a boot I can use as a result.
 
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Marketing for those reviews, means the product gets a five star product? Yeah that's really unbiased lol

Again, subjective and objective, it's fine having personal opinions but audioscience is not about how you feel you like them. It upsets people, but that isn't the goal.

The testing method is testing the speaker, not room interactions. How do you know what wall type is going to be used? Plasterboard, brick, wallpaper, stone, etc all play a part.

How can you serously take what hifi 5 star product when they don't even do REW testing themselves?

LOL he tested it more scientific manner than what hifi. How is personal opinion scientific? If you don't like it, why don't you buy the same measuring equpment and verify it yourself?

Some brands have a "house sound" like B&W mid bass and HF boost

If you want semi accurate frequency response, don't buy the Kef T101

The T101 has cabinet resonance also, again shoddy design. They are compromised, the FR of them is terrible. And before you think I'm crapping on the Kef brand


That's mine.


Thank you for taking the time to reply.

It seems to me you are forming your opinion from a position of being an audiophile, owning top of the range equipment. I suspect this may be colouring your opinion.

It is all well and good having a speaker that has perfect frequency response and all that jazz but what most people are looking for in a speaker like the KEF T series is a speaker that sounds good, looks good and doesn't take up much space. The concensus seems to be that the KEF T series ticks those boxes.

I suppose the question I should ask you is, what do you mean when you say the KEF T series is objectively rubbish?

To me a rubbish speaker would be a pair of speakers that sound muddy and distort at low volumes. Now clearly that doesn't describe the KEF T series.

Would you concede that you are being hyperbolic when using the word rubbish?
 
Deviation on frequency response line is reasonable, for house sound, or just minor issue. But massive peaks and valleys means, crossover faults, cabinet reasonance it was badly designed as that should have been found out during testing.

No I am not exaggerating the word rubbish.

For example with this speaker, it does verify as I've read Dali can indeed be bright sounding, with that HF boost, that shows here approx 14khz? plus

 
I feel like delving in to technical specs without hearing an actual room setup with them is a bit like reading what people think of a TV without going to demo one. It might not translate into real world experience. Look at ACTUAL reviews from owners, and they are more favourable to the t line range.

Genuinely would be interesting to hear of competitors to them for the OP so they have some others to consider.
 
Deviation on frequency response line is reasonable, for house sound, or just minor issue. But massive peaks and valleys means, crossover faults, cabinet reasonance it was badly designed as that should have been found out during testing.

No I am not exaggerating the word rubbish.

For example with this speaker, it does verify as I've read Dali can indeed be bright sounding, with that HF boost, that shows here approx 14khz? plus


That is all well and good but to most people none of that matters one bit. They will be putting speakers in imperfect listening environments. All that matters is does it actually sound nice to listen to.

You seem to have a strict cut off line that if a speaker doesn't meet specific targets it is deemed as rubbish. Very black and white.

I have listened to many many speakers over the years. From the most basic cheap speakers that actually do sound rubbish through to things like B&W bookshelf speakers all the way up to KEF Blades.

The way the KEF T series makes me feel is happy and pleased. Now is that not what you want from a purchase?

To hear someone describe a set of speakers I think sound great compared to all the other speakers I have heard in my lifetime as being rubbish comes across as pure hyperbole designed to get a reaction. Well done to you I suppose.
 
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Genuinely would be interesting to hear of competitors to them for the OP so they have some others to consider.

Me too. I would concede that the KEF T series was rubbish if you could get similar speakers for similar money that blew the KEF's out of the water.

I don't know if you still get the KEF eggs any more but I think they were of a similar quality although aesthetically not as nice. I had Canton speakers that sounded similar to the KEF's but again not as nice aesthetically. Same story to a set of Focal speakers I demoed.
 
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Again you can't seperate the two objective and subjective.

When you go to a doctor and have a cancerous growth and informed that is cancer, you're shown on the screen the cancer, shown results do you argue with the doctor, saying it's his personal opinion, no you don't have cancer?

Again feelings. You like the product. It's shown that product has serious problems. It doesn't matter you really like it, doesn't alter the fact it has issues.

Audioscience has tested one of my products. Do I argue with that site, saying they're wrong? No, it's shown it is.

Making excuses because it's compromised doesn't alter that fact, if other companies can produce similar sized speakers withtout the major flaws, and you're going down emotion route saying you've had them for years, you like them etc etc etc etc.

I'm not saying they are rubbish, that site shows they are.
 
Again you can't seperate the two objective and subjective.

When you go to a doctor and have a cancerous growth and informed that is cancer, you're shown on the screen the cancer, shown results do you argue with the doctor, saying it's his personal opinion, no you don't have cancer?

Again feelings. You like the product. It's shown that product has serious problems. It doesn't matter you really like it, doesn't alter the fact it has issues.

Audioscience has tested one of my products. Do I argue with that site, saying they're wrong? No, it's shown it is.

Making excuses because it's compromised doesn't alter that fact, if other companies can produce similar sized speakers withtout the major flaws, and you're going down emotion route saying you've had them for years, you like them etc etc etc etc.

I'm not saying they are rubbish, that site shows they are.

I can't believe you are still using that forum post as the complete basis of your opinion that the KEF T series is "rubbish".

OK. Let's assume that I accept that objectively the KEF T series is "rubbish". At the same time, I also think subjectively that they sound great compared to all the the speakers I have heard in my lifetime. Scientifically they are inaccurate and not precise but subjectively I really enjoy using them and think they offer a great experience, meet their intended goal and all at a fair price. Now what?
 
I can't believe you are still using that forum post as the complete basis of your opinion that the KEF T series is "rubbish".

OK. Let's assume that I accept that objectively the KEF T series is "rubbish". At the same time, I also think subjectively that they sound great compared to all the the speakers I have heard in my lifetime. Scientifically they are inaccurate and not precise but subjectively I really enjoy using them and think they offer a great experience, meet their intended goal and all at a fair price. Now what?

That's how you should have been in the firest place. Accept the science, but also have your own personal preference you like them.

Now what? Well you could buy a UMIK1 and see if indeed they have those issues.

For example I tested out some speakers and they have big dips at 5khz and massive drop off at 9khz.
 
Great. Glad we have cleared that up.

The Kef T Series - Scientifically absolute total and utter garbage. In the real world, you will probably really enjoy using them if you are looking for wall mounted speakers.
 
Great. Glad we have cleared that up.

The Kef T Series - Scientifically absolute total and utter garbage. In the real world, you will probably really enjoy using them if you are looking for wall mounted speakers.


I thought about getting these. Noticed how they're rear ported and wall mounted? Derp


FR is far better than the T101

I'd just with the existing side and surrounds.
 
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