Lucifer has entered the building!!!!

Tdh1987 said:
It seems pointless considering the extra initial purchase price when buying a diesel equivalent car, not to mention the fact that diesel is more expensive at the pump.
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But the way they drive is, noise apart, often better than the petrol version.

As an example Mr X who is spending £35,000 on a car is not going to bothered about saving £500 a year on fuel.
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95% of those who drive 535d's and what have you are not spending £35k on a car, they are chosing it from a company car list and are taxed according to emissions. This makes owning a diesel noticeably cheaper.
 
DreXeL said:
How likely is that though? Not very....

That's a pointless comment, If I bolted a garret GT42r on to my car it would 'pwn' said 4.5d 3-Series ;)
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not really considering the 535d was putinto the 7 and 3 so same could happen with the 4.5 :cool:
 
Killa_ken said:
not really considering the 535d was putinto the 7 and 3 so same could happen with the 4.5 :cool:
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I doubt it. There have been V8 diesel BMW's before, but the engine never went further than the 7 Series. Expect it in the X5, but probably not the 5 and certainly not the 3.
 
merlin said:
I swear some people think the quoted torque figures actually get laid down on the tarmac.
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It makes me want to do this:

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..untill my head bleeds, lots :(
 
[TW]Fox said:
So you deliberately buy rubbish cars becuase cars that are good are boring?

Wow, I take it when you get a train somewhere you pick the most unreliable service becuase lets face it, getting there on time is boring and predicable, a breakdown is more fun ;)
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Come on Fox, I thought the ' ;) ' on the end there would show that I wasn't being entirely serious. If it wasn't abvious, then let me know and I'll be sure to spell everything out clearly in future on here.

For those among us who apparently can't tell when I'm just poking at the modern car lovers club on here:

I would take an old American car with a big V8 over a new German car with a diesel because I like the following things about them.

1) the sound
2) the power delivery
3) the ease of maintenance
4) the reliability

That okay with all of you? Anything too complicated about that post?

:p
 
[TW]Fox said:
I doubt it. There have been V8 diesel BMW's before, but the engine never went further than the 7 Series. Expect it in the X5, but probably not the 5 and certainly not the 3.
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im sure hartgre will do something like that considering they put the V10 m5 engine into the B10 :eek:
 
JRS said:
Come on Fox, I thought the ' ;) ' on the end there would show that I wasn't being entirely serious. If it wasn't abvious, then let me know and I'll be sure to spell everything out clearly in future on here.

For those among us who apparently can't tell when I'm just poking at the modern car lovers club on here:

I would take an old American car with a big V8 over a new German car with a diesel because I like the following things about them.

1) the sound
2) the power delivery
3) the ease of maintenance
4) the reliability

That okay with all of you? Anything too complicated about that post?

:p
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german cars are a lot more reliable and easy to maintain then americans ones , in fact its what most people buy german cars for :confused:
 
Killa_ken said:
im sure hartgre will do something like that considering they put the V10 m5 engine into the B10 :eek:
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No they didn't :confused:

Infact there isn't even a B10 in the model range - the B10 died with the E39. It's now the B5, and transplanting a V10 into the B5 would be totally pointless - it doesn't have the V10 for a reason, it's supposed to be different to the M5 - people who want the V10 would simply buy the M5..
 
Killa_ken said:
german cars are a lot more reliable and easy to maintain then americans ones , in fact its what most people buy german cars for :confused:
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He thinks that being able to easily fix things every month > fixing things is difficult, but stuff only breaks once every 5 years.
 
Del Lardo said:
Is this the whole gearing thing?
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Yea, the whole gearing thing that assumes everyone drives at 100% of their cars capability all the time. Whilst I'm sure Drexel does, given his car is simply a toy, most people in the real world cannot be bothered with having to cane the **** out of their high revving petrol thing to get WHEEL TORQUE LOLZ, its easier to just plant it in any gear in a decent diesel and blast past whatever you want to overtake with ease.
 
JRS said:
Not as much as these new BMWs thats for sure, but it's the way it does it :) I prefer the delivery on a big V8, as most of them that are built properly will still pull at revs where a diesel has packed up and gone home. And leaving that engine (the Olds Y series was not the best the Americans ever produced) aside, the most numerous of the pushrod V8s - the small-block Chevy - can be built up to make that kind of torque without spending too much money.

Lets see - £500 for my car, another 2 grand to build up an SBC with high-comp pistons and a fuel injection setup, or I could spend a fortune on a modern diesel car. If torque was all I was after, then I wouldn't be spending my money on a BMW. When I want handling thats so good the car almost becomes dull I'll buy German ;)
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How is the 6 cylinder engine not built properly? The fact of the matter is, the power delivery will be vastly similar in the diesel six compared to an old V8. My power tops out at 4500rpm, but starts at 1800rpm. The V8 in the olds is well known for being a big lazy engine - so I can't see it screaming much further up the rev range.

Fair enough - you could spend £2k on your V8 to get it up to the standard of a stock 330d. Spending £2k on a 330d will take performance to V8 petrol battering levels - look at Ant&Pete's 300bhp/700Nm 330d for instance.

It's funny how you see great handling as a problem - I'm sensing cars might not be the right hobby for you. Have you looked into canal boats before?
 
[TW]Fox said:
Yea, the whole gearing thing that assumes everyone drives at 100% of their cars capability all the time. Whilst I'm sure Drexel does, given his car is simply a toy, most people in the real world cannot be bothered with having to cane the **** out of their high revving petrol thing to get WHEEL TORQUE LOLZ, its easier to just plant it in any gear in a decent diesel and blast past whatever you want to overtake with ease.
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Is this an argument for Diesel, or an Automatic?

Or both?
 
[TW]Fox said:
No they didn't :confused:

Infact there isn't even a B10 in the model range - the B10 died with the E39. It's now the B5, and transplanting a V10 into the B5 would be totally pointless - it doesn't have the V10 for a reason, it's supposed to be different to the M5 - people who want the V10 would simply buy the M5..
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you're both for some reason crossing hartge and alpina :s

He means Hartge dropped a 5L v10 into the e90

Tom.
 
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