Lucifer has entered the building!!!!
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Killa_ken said:german cars are a lot more reliable and easy to maintain then americans ones , in fact its what most people buy german cars for
Eh?
So, the Oldsmobile I have sat outside with an intergalactic mileage that hasn't had an engie rebuild in the last 150k miles and has never had a new gearbox in 237k miles is a mirage is it? Or my Grandad's Vista Cruiser, which he had for 25 years that never once broke down despite being driven across half of Canada when he worked for the mining boards? Or his Chevy Biscayne, which he bought when he first moved out there and put 200k miles on without doing any work to it? And while we're at it, how about all those old American cars rumbling around Arizona that have never seen a resto in over 30 years?
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not talking about the stuff they sell now, I'm talking about American cars before the final pussification in the early '90s, when they still had big lazy engines with a carb and nothing remotely modern about the mechanicals
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[TW]Fox said:Wow, a whole 150k since its LAST engine rebuild? The fact it hasnt had a new gearbox in 237k but has only done 150k since the last engine rebuild suggests it's had at least one rebuild in its life.
Thats reliability for you
haha pwnage
[TW]Fox said:Wow, a whole 150k since its LAST engine rebuild? The fact it hasnt had a new gearbox in 237k but has only done 150k since the last engine rebuild suggests it's had at least one rebuild in its life.
Thats reliability for you
Well at least it managed 87k on its first engine.
Oh shucks, that must mean that my 330d with 104k on the clock must be long gone
NickXX said:Well at least it managed 87k on its first engine.
Oh shucks, that must mean that my 330d with 104k on the clock must be long gone
as has my sisters 325 with 116k on the clock
we best arrange a group engine rebuild might get a discount!
[TW]Fox said:
Not really, you are missing the whole point
My car revs high and so the gearing is setup for that. So whilst it only does 60 ish in 2nd gear, thats at 9200rpm. Imagine a diesel that only did 30mph in 2nd at its 4500rpm redline, they don't exist and hence the gearing is much much longer.
Also in a petrol you can plant it in whatever gear your in and not have to change gear 500rpm later
Simon said:Not really, you are missing the whole point
My car revs high and so the gearing is setup for that. So whilst it only does 60 ish in 2nd gear, thats at 9200rpm. Imagine a diesel that only did 30mph in 2nd at its 4500rpm redline, they don't exist and hence the gearing is much much longer.
Also in a petrol you can plant it in whatever gear your in and not have to change gear 500rpm later
This is what I don't get though - in the 330d you can have it in 3rd and plant it at 30, it will then accelerate hard all the way up to 80-85.
The point is that the longer gearing means that on the road in 3rd (for example) your car will be putting down less torque than a petrol with shorter gearing. The fact that the diesel puts down more on paper is often completely irrelavent. Plus there is the massive problem with diesel power bands. Most decent petrol cars will be usable from 2500-6500rpm, a diesel (even a bmw one!) is only any real use over around 2000rpm of its range - annoying.
Please dont think i am anti diesel, i can see their uses, but for performance in a sporty car i wouldnt personally give them a second look.
Please dont think i am anti diesel, i can see their uses, but for performance in a sporty car i wouldnt personally give them a second look.
Del Lardo said:
Yes
[TW]Fox said:
You're right, performance Diesel's have their place. In a big, lazy, comfy cruiser it makes sense. I'm just saying that caning a Diesel will never give the same feeling as caning a performace petrol engine, no matter what the performance is.
And the OMG DIESEL TOURQUE!!! thing gets on my mammaries.
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NickXX said:
I can do that in 4th and accelerate all the way upto 160mph and pretty quickly too. Oh and thats a petrol.
However whilst doing that I will be getting single MPG figures but it sounds oh such much better than a diesel could ever hope of doing.
Drexel - I'm with you on this.
Diesels don't give me any enjoyment at all - very boring in my opinion.
However - reving up to the redline in a petrol is the enjoyment I find - I like the sound of a Petrol compared to diesel.
My own opinion of course. I find Diesels very boring and I like to have enjoyment when I'm driving.
Diesels don't give me any enjoyment at all - very boring in my opinion.
However - reving up to the redline in a petrol is the enjoyment I find - I like the sound of a Petrol compared to diesel.
My own opinion of course. I find Diesels very boring and I like to have enjoyment when I'm driving.
[TW]Fox said:Wow, a whole 150k since its LAST engine rebuild? The fact it hasnt had a new gearbox in 237k but has only done 150k since the last engine rebuild suggests it's had at least one rebuild in its life.
Thats reliability for you
Would you like to know why the engine had a rebuild? Or would you simply like to make uninformed comments?
No, I'll be fair since I didn't actually explain.Engine was rebuilt when it had some tuning work done - you know, the tuning work I mentioned in my other post? I'll grant you that maybe that was a little too subtle for everyone on here to catch. I didn't have the car at that point, so I don't know if it needed it or not, but the owner in the States did nearly kill it at one point according to the paperwork I got with it. Apparently, these engines can't run with no coolant at all in the system. Strange that, as I've seen a Caddy with a 350 run without coolant in the radiator. But never mind.
At any rate, I've freely admitted on here several times that the 307 'Y' engine was not one of the best motors America came up with. For that, you have to go to either Chevy (for the 350 small-block) or some of the Mopar engines (318-360 motors, 340 6-pack especially, 440 RB Magnum/Super Commando + 6-pack version and 426 Hemi + derivatives).
I do wonder why it's so hard to accept for some of you on here that the American engines are good for the intended purpose. I've had e-mails from people on here (no names, I'm not that cruel) saying everything from I'm an enlightened person for going that route (no I'm not!) to I'm a complete ******* idiot (again, I'd like to think that I'm not!). Sure, they aren't refined, they aren't that fuel efficient when on carbs (unless it's a 6-pack), and they tend to be a bit on the heavy side. But they do have a habit of surviving, which is why you still have cars today with SBC motors, Mopar LA series small-blocks, and all the old cars still rumbling around.
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Killa_ken said:haha pwnage
Really? You think?
Okay.....
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Diesels are great as, on a long commute or daily commute, lazy driving styles with loads of low end grunt and no need to drop a coupple of gears is the way forward.
Which is what these diesels are designed to do. Easy cruising.
Which is what these diesels are designed to do. Easy cruising.
[TW]Fox said:
Different kind of car though isn't it? And I'm surprised no-one brought that argument up before.....oh, wait....I sort-of did with that post that you jumped on earlier regarding handling
And anyway, I know a lot of people who would prefer a 1.4 Civic to a Golf GTi. does that make them wrong? Or does it mean that they simply a) have different priorities or b) just like Civics more than Golfs?