This is the problem in GD though, when you question people the goalposts move so fast you can barely see them. Admitting you're wrong or misrepresented something is a lost art.
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This is the problem in GD though, when you question people the goalposts move so fast you can barely see them. Admitting you're wrong or misrepresented something is a lost art.
'Implied' Ie, you've read what you wanted to.
Crappy old diesel cars. Poorly maintained, end of life, prone to issues - some of those issues causing fires.
With plastic fuel tanks, that in the event of a fire, will melt and leak fuel greatly increasing the spread of the fire.
yes the older metal cars are better off (maybe from perspective of less plastics generally too?) - read the merseyside car park report where I took the quote from,
think the petrol fuel vapor is pretty explosive, for damaging the car park structure,
article suggest water sprinklers don't suppress vapour , which firemans foam can do ... guess they couldn't deploy some of the fire engines from the airport.
I’ve read exactly what you’ve written.
Anyhoo, chuck the shovel up when you’ve finished with it.
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I think the reason they moved to plastic was partly that old steel tanks would rust. Both internally and externally and would eventually fail.
It was reasonably well known you never used the bottom bit of fuel when you had metal tanks in an old car.
Getting someone to fix one was a nightmare, basically impossible, so you ended up needing a new tank.
So old cars with metal tanks may well be far more likely to be an issue, where as new ones would likely be safer than plastic in a fire.
It was reasonably well known you never used the bottom bit of fuel when you had metal tanks in an old car.
Getting someone to fix one was a nightmare, basically impossible, so you ended up needing a new tank.
So old cars with metal tanks may well be far more likely to be an issue, where as new ones would likely be safer than plastic in a fire.
Ur, no. You asked if there's any proof it's causing major car park fires.
How about, people are hypocrites?
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The keyword in the questioned post was all. I'm yet to see any evidence of this.
How do know that is 100% a fact?
We don't but given that's the information the fire service have briefed, it's the most reliable information currently available.
If the video of the LR is genuine, that would reinforce the idea.
Yup, it will put out a match if you try and ignite it.
In fact back before they started making fuel tanks out of plastic the standard way to safely weld a crack/hole in a petrol tank was to pour a litre of diesel in, slosh it about and hey presto you can weld the tank without risk of a fire/explosion.
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Vapour Cloud Explosions (VCEs) can cause extreme structural damage due the over-pressure they exert on walls/floors etc.
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One of the issues with modern diesel engines is the huge fuel pressure in the piping of the engine bay.
2,000 BAR – 29,000 PSI
"Common rail direct fuel injection is a direct fuel injection system for petrol and diesel engines. On diesel engines, it features a high-pressure (2,000 BAR – 29,000 PSI) fuel rail feeding individual solenoid valves, as opposed to a low-pressure fuel pump feeding unit injectors or pump nozzles"
Not only will this propel diesel through body parts, likely to induce the need for long periods of surgery or even amputations, the pressure will find *all and any* weakness due to age, rust, vibration / pulsation induced cracking of lines and fittings, or simply due to people having worked on them incorrectly. Once these systems spring a leak that ignites you have a superb flame thrower running under the bonnet. (HINT: Think carefully before lifting the bonnet with your Halfords fire extinguisher in hand, it might be wise not to look....) For sure, shut down the engine at the ignition switch first. DO NOT open the bonnet if the engine's still running and generating fuel pressure from its usually mechanically driven high pressure pump!! Modern tech ehh?
2,000 BAR – 29,000 PSI
"Common rail direct fuel injection is a direct fuel injection system for petrol and diesel engines. On diesel engines, it features a high-pressure (2,000 BAR – 29,000 PSI) fuel rail feeding individual solenoid valves, as opposed to a low-pressure fuel pump feeding unit injectors or pump nozzles"
Not only will this propel diesel through body parts, likely to induce the need for long periods of surgery or even amputations, the pressure will find *all and any* weakness due to age, rust, vibration / pulsation induced cracking of lines and fittings, or simply due to people having worked on them incorrectly. Once these systems spring a leak that ignites you have a superb flame thrower running under the bonnet. (HINT: Think carefully before lifting the bonnet with your Halfords fire extinguisher in hand, it might be wise not to look....) For sure, shut down the engine at the ignition switch first. DO NOT open the bonnet if the engine's still running and generating fuel pressure from its usually mechanically driven high pressure pump!! Modern tech ehh?
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They have the same green paths in a multi-storey in Barnsley. It's probably just some standardised paint job.
Started the fire? No, probably an electrical fault or diesel engine runaway.
What changed it from being a car fire to an entire car park burning down - that's the diesel bit.
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I literally avoid Luton as a place to fly from with a passion. Even if the holiday is cheaper. I will either fly from Stansted or East Midlands. Always had good experiences with both. Luton airport not so much. I can't quite put my finger on it but always felt dodgy and the journey to it has always been a nightmare.
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The ones already posted in this thread. The other one that destroyed 1400 cars in Liverpool and the one in Norway which was also cited. Seems like a big problem.
You think a parked car suffered with engine runaway?