Oh Castiel, as usual you don't understand what you're googling. Theoretical support for PCIe 4.0 doesn't have direct benefit to current M1 product lineup because current M1 product lineup at Apple doesn't come with any PCIe slots or expansion possibilities, so you won't be adding any "thunderbolt to it". I didn't think I needed to explain this, to quote your cringe/shadenfreude. It has nothing to do with arm, it's a product architecture issue, not CPU architecture issue. Exhausting. Just... exhausting interlocutor.
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Oh Castiel, as usual you don't understand what you're googling. Theoretical support for PCIe 4.0 doesn't have direct benefit to current M1 product lineup because current M1 product lineup at Apple doesn't come with any PCIe slots or expansion possibilities, so you won't be adding any "thunderbolt to it". I didn't think I needed to explain this, to quote your cringe/shadenfreude. It has nothing to do with arm, it's a product architecture issue, not CPU architecture issue. Exhausting. Just... exhausting interlocutor.
But why are you complaining that the current product lineup - which is entry level - doesn't have features that you want in a pro setup?
I could complain that a BMW 220d doesn't have the performance of a BMW M2. That doesn't mean that the entire architecture of the 2-series is compromised. It just means that this version of the product doesn't have the features you want and therefore is not for you.
Why are you trying to argue that this is a pro-level product and thus should have pro-level features when it is clearly a first dip in the water to show what the platform is capable of? Sure, you can use it for semi-pro level stuff but anyone who even considers a Mac Mini of any spec as a pro-grade workstation needs their head examined. That is not what it is for.
I could complain that a BMW 220d doesn't have the performance of a BMW M2. That doesn't mean that the entire architecture of the 2-series is compromised. It just means that this version of the product doesn't have the features you want and therefore is not for you.
Why are you trying to argue that this is a pro-level product and thus should have pro-level features when it is clearly a first dip in the water to show what the platform is capable of? Sure, you can use it for semi-pro level stuff but anyone who even considers a Mac Mini of any spec as a pro-grade workstation needs their head examined. That is not what it is for.
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Unwelcome? Competition is a good thing not a bad thing. This is far better than intel for the same level and significantly cheaper as well.
It's probably the kick in the arse that intel need.
Because previous "entry level" product lineup (wrong term, because with Apple there is no entry level and pro level, there is just for example mac mini that you can leave at basic or max out and that's it) had those features.
Generation to generation we get less. Less ports, less expansion, and now even less max memory. And I appreciate forumites not agreeing that more than 16gb is needed because "arm" but that's just powdering the obvious flaw - new processor may kick bottoms in terms of optimisations but the architectural design of this generation of apple silicon platform is limited, more limited than previous entry level Mac minis and MBPs of yesteryear. Come on, you have to see it for what it is.
But - as has been said before - these are the first products running on this new architecture.
Sure, they have fewer ports and less max memory. If this is a problem then they aren't for you. You are not their target customer. You're not being forced to buy them.
Sure, they have fewer ports and less max memory. If this is a problem then they aren't for you. You are not their target customer. You're not being forced to buy them.
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If you think about it though, the lack of ports (which, lets face it is what you seem to have the most beef with), is becoming more and more common across all laptops/computers, especially 'ultrabooks' which is what the Macbook Air is. Huawei Matebook Pro 2020 has 2 x USB-C ports and 1 x USB-A port. Dell XPS 13 has 2 x Thunderbolt and 1 x USB-C.
I understand what you are saying about the machines having less ports than previous models, but that's nothing new with Apple, nor with other manufacturers. Ports have been dwindling in quantity for years.
I like most I would imagine wouldn't require or expect a wired connection to do a presentation, I also wouldn't need or want a keyboard. That leaves a display and mouse/wireless presenter at best as the two devices that I may need, which are catered for by the 2 ports available
For most presentations these days, at least with our meeting room, it's actually easier just to use my phone and cast it to the projector
When my current (Windows ) laptop actually needs to be used as a laptop then I need 1 or maybe 2 ports at most.
The rest of the time, it's so much more convenient to plug to plug in 1 cable both at home or at work, and have everything else I need.
I like most I would imagine wouldn't require or expect a wired connection to do a presentation, I also wouldn't need or want a keyboard. That leaves a display and mouse/wireless presenter at best as the two devices that I may need, which are catered for by the 2 ports available
Whichever way you look at it, Apple could have stuck another couple of ports in there for pennies. What they've done is their usual trick of gimping a machine to push buyers into more expensive hardware. Great for Apple's bottom line, not so great for your average punter who just wants a basic desktop machine that can link to a few peripherals without swapping wires.
I would have thought most offices also have usb docking stations which handle all that in meeting rooms. 1 cable covers all that nonsense. If you work on an ultra book, you almost certainly have some kind of docking station in an office.
If your on Apple or most other ultra books your already used to the dongle/hub/docking station life anyway, there aren’t really any USBc versions of all of that stuff you listed either way.
If your on Apple or most other ultra books your already used to the dongle/hub/docking station life anyway, there aren’t really any USBc versions of all of that stuff you listed either way.
I don't know if my usage case is typical or not. I have a MacBook with one USB-C port. In four years, I've never thought to myself that I needed more.
If I need to use any USB peripherals, I have a USB-C to USB-A adapter, I plug that in and plug the accessory in. Some time ago I did consider buying some kind of dock adapter thing but when I thought about it more, I realised I just didn't need it and so I never bothered.
As an entry level machine, the Air is going to be a serious upgrade for me and I wouldn't consider comparing it to a powerhouse. It'll do exactly what I do now, just much faster.
If I need to use any USB peripherals, I have a USB-C to USB-A adapter, I plug that in and plug the accessory in. Some time ago I did consider buying some kind of dock adapter thing but when I thought about it more, I realised I just didn't need it and so I never bothered.
As an entry level machine, the Air is going to be a serious upgrade for me and I wouldn't consider comparing it to a powerhouse. It'll do exactly what I do now, just much faster.
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Sounds like you're talking about the Mini you are chained to a desktop then you can have a permanent wired hub. Cheap as chips and means you don't need to plug and unplug all the time. It might even be the case the monitor acts as a hub.
I imagine most will be using a bluetooth keyboard and mouse so for many people that only leaves the display, possibly an external HD or SD card.
Yeah, I don't get people complaining about number of ports on a desktop that has thunderbolt, just get a dock (thunderbolt or USB-c) and you'll have all the ports you'll ever need, and in a more convenient location too. If you need more than 80 Gbps bandwidth (two thunderbolt 3.0 ports), then a £700 device is not for you.
I’ve tried to follow the argument and I’m struggling to see why this is such a drama.
Fact is, the entry level machine (yes, it is entry, even if “more ports” is the only likely differential on portables at the moment) - with what should be significantly inferior hardware - is running rings around machines 5 times more expensive in terms of rendering time.
You can make arguments about plug-in compatibility, port availability (which frankly isn’t a big issue). But hardware to hardware I’m struggling to see how anyone can’t be impressed! And to dismiss it as a “mistake” .. yeah ..
Fact is, the entry level machine (yes, it is entry, even if “more ports” is the only likely differential on portables at the moment) - with what should be significantly inferior hardware - is running rings around machines 5 times more expensive in terms of rendering time.
You can make arguments about plug-in compatibility, port availability (which frankly isn’t a big issue). But hardware to hardware I’m struggling to see how anyone can’t be impressed! And to dismiss it as a “mistake” .. yeah ..
I've largely stayed out of this thread because if I defended these new devices, I'd probably be called a fanboy. However, this comment sums it up perfectly.
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In FCPX it looks absolutely fantastic for video editing.
This is test using a 8gb MBP, it's on par or better than the Mac Pro. It seems mostly about the GPU until you run the x86 version of Premier.
So far I'm impressed.
What are you talking about? According to Von (who I presume is more knowledgable than all the top engineers at Apple), this is doomed to fail...
