M5 Fatalities
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The barriers only stop vehicles going through at low angles. If you hit it at 90° anything except a motor bike will go through. If you put in something which will stop vehicles you are going to kill the occupants anyway.
I'm sure they LOVE the chaos of 3 people dying and having to close motorways to investigate why/how they died. I bet it makes their day.
When you become a traffic cop/fireman/paramedic i'm sure you'll be in a position to comment on the necessities of closing a motorway.
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I'm sure they LOVE the chaos of 3 people dying and having to close motorways to investigate why/how they died. I bet it makes their day.
Agreed, i'm sure the LOVE the hundreds of motorists sitting in their cars fuming while the motorway's closed. I'm sure they love picking bits of car up from all over the carridgeway, organising the cleanup of car, barrier, blood etc
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Err. As far as I can see he said:
a) they always revel in closing the motorway
b) they often close it for no reason
Both of which i'm sure are complete carp
I swear ~= I believe, opinion, not 100%, context of the sentence possibly means its a joke.
so often its unnecessary ~= maybe not necessary to close all lanes, possibly referring to the length of time it is closed for.
Sometimes you need to read between the lines.
Other than that, I understand where you're coming from but sarcasm etc was uncalled for.
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Ahh well if it was a joke, then i'm duly apologetic, but it didn't seem that way to me. To me, "I swear" = "I believe" = "Feel free to disagree with me and point out how i'm wrong"
Interesting use of ~=, are you a mathematician?
Interesting use of ~=, are you a mathematician?
Right, so he "*believes* highway **** and coppers revel in the chaos of closing a motorway" like the M5. If that's true, his beliefs are plain wrong. And i'm thinking it wasn't a joke considering he goes onto say " so often its unncessary and causes stupidly long jams". How would he know how unnecessary it is? Let alone the fact that it is apparently "often not necessary".
Maybe it's not necessary, maybe it is. If it wasn't necessary.....why would they keep the motorway closed?
Traffic cops come under huge pressure to get a motorway open ASAP so that makes no sense... Only a fireman/traffic cop/paramedic can make the call that a motorway needs to be closed. I doubt the public are wanting to see people being scooped up from the road. I also predict that they close a whole motorway to prevent rubberneckers and leading to more incidents that require the motorway to be closed longer.
Sorry...i won't ever be sarcastic again
I just dont think his statement was definite and concise enough to display his integrity/knowledge towards crashes and road related deaths and then lead onto sarcasm. I see it as frustration.
EDIT - No worries I'm sarcastic a lot too but only if the person I'm speaking to doesnt listen and take in my point of view
EDIT - No worries I'm sarcastic a lot too but only if the person I'm speaking to doesnt listen and take in my point of view
I'm sure they LOVE the chaos of 3 people dying and having to close motorways to investigate why/how they died. I bet it makes their day.
When you become a traffic cop/fireman/paramedic i'm sure you'll be in a position to comment on the necessities of closing a motorway.
Whoa there, hold your ****ing horses, over reaction much lads....
You tell me, why do they need to close the motorway for x hours, to figure out why someone died, theres often cctv pointed at every scene, in this case its pretty damn clear, a car jumped the barried and ploughed into another car.
I will freely admit, i have no time for the highways muppets, they take far too much time pretending like they are road CSI, they also get my goat on insisting on doing 50 mph in the inside lane, just to see how big a queue they can get behind them (they have admitted this on tv, before you jump down my throat again).
Unless a road needs re-surfacing, clean ups dont take that long, certainly not as long as it often takes.Maybe their hands are tied by the HSE..
Id like to think im fairly well qualified, I cover around 40-50k a year,pretty much all motorway.....
Because in the event of a fatality the police need to gather all the evidence possible before it's destroyed by traffic. I would have thought this was obvious to anyone with a grain of common sense.
I was expecting about how m5 drivers seem to think they rule the roads .... despite they drive a common car....... *just abit fuuumin with m5s just been on the m20.. m26... m25.... m23.... i understand not all m5 drivers are nuttas.. but we got undertaken , carved up and tailgated by about 5 m5s... and 1 vauxhall astra vxr...
rant over lol
CCTV isn't enough it doesn't show everything. Even then, it doesn't nearly cover the whole of the motorway. It's like saying "at murder scenes, they should just take photos and then clean everything up". What about the tiny vital clues that the photos can't pick up.I know it's "pretty damn clear" what happened, but if you can tell me why it happened, i'm all ears. If that happened to someone you care about, i'm sure you'd be perfectly happy for the police to just say "oh, yeah, we know what happened, a car jumped a barrier. kkthxbye" without any further details.
Like i've said, traffic cops are under massive pressure to re open a motorway after an accident....so why would they delay the opening of the motorway?
Seems you don't have time for traffic cops establishing what happened at the scene of 3 deaths either...
I have no idea what you're talking about here...
Nobody said clean ups took a long time? But every piece of car debris on that motorway is a piece of evidence that could have vital clues as to why this happened. How do you not understand that?!
Qualified at what?! Deciding when a motorway should or shouldn't be closed?!
Yeah but to what end, death was caused by a vehicle jumping the barrier, thats pretty clear, i still cannot see why the motorway had to be closed for nigh on 12 hours.
Fatalities are a horrible thing to happen, and yes a reason needs to be found to as what happened and why,but the highway's and police bods also have a responsibilityto the rest of the thousands that could be using the M-way, as i said before, they often take too long to clear up, or they close all of the M-way, instead of just shutting affected lanes.
I see it pretty much every week on the M6/M5 north section, a lorry breaksdown or a car has a puncture or an accident, vehicle is on the hard shoulder, and they still close 2 lanes.
Fatalities are a horrible thing to happen, and yes a reason needs to be found to as what happened and why,but the highway's and police bods also have a responsibilityto the rest of the thousands that could be using the M-way, as i said before, they often take too long to clear up, or they close all of the M-way, instead of just shutting affected lanes.
I see it pretty much every week on the M6/M5 north section, a lorry breaksdown or a car has a puncture or an accident, vehicle is on the hard shoulder, and they still close 2 lanes.
I know it's "pretty damn clear" what happened, but if you can tell me why it happened, i'm all ears. If that happened to someone you care about, i'm sure you'd be perfectly happy for the police to just say "oh, yeah, we know what happened, a car jumped a barrier. kkthxbye" without any further details.
Like i've said, traffic cops are under massive pressure to re open a motorway after an accident....so why would they delay the opening of the motorway?
Seems you don't have time for traffic cops establishing what happened at the scene of 3 deaths either...
I have no idea what you're talking about here...
Nobody said clean ups took a long time? But every piece of car debris on that motorway is a piece of evidence that could have vital clues as to why this happened. How do you not understand that?!
Qualified at what?! Deciding when a motorway should or shouldn't be closed?!
Surely if the drivers dead, then its pretty futile trying to acertain why it happened, accidents happen,maybe the guy had a heart-attack,was driving too fast, will examining every goddamn grain on the road tell you any more than performing an autopsy on the body or examining the car(s).The key is in the vehicles and the bodies and witness's, many cars will have gone past by the time traffic will have stopped.
You say cops are under a lot of pressure, i dont disagree, but they still dont work efficiently enough, and in the end for all the CSI work that they do, the outcome in most if not all cases, is as per what is originally thought.And the obscure cases, evidence is found from the driver or the car.
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Also, was anyone else expecting a written off BMW M5?
Yeah actually, I was dieing to see one.
E60 M5's aren't common at all, I've only seen one other than the one I drive on the road.
Seen a few older ones as well.
I find a lot more stupid drivers in common cars, most people I'm amazed are allowed on the road. Just today some stupid old bloke was driving a zafira, gave me about an inch of room to get through, I had to ask him as he passed me "how much ****ing room do you want mate?"
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