Mac vs PC

RomanNose · 13 Sep 2011 at 07:04

Umm, well if you don't want viruses why not just shove a linux distro on ?
Anyway, I prefer linux and I can use whatever hardware I like, unlike osx users I still acknowledge that windows can come out on top in some cases hence why for a gaming desktop it would be foolish to use anything other than windows.
I really enjoy linux, it's a bin daunting but I love the fact that I can perform very advanced functions with just a simple bash line.

Raymond Lin · 13 Sep 2011 at 07:20

bhavv said:
1) So I herd I can buy slower CPUs on the PC and overclock them with an aftermarket cooler to save a lot of money.

2) Even with upgrading the Dell specs to the same as a mac, it still costs around a grand (if not more) less!

3) As the people defending the mac pro already pointed out, this is a workstation not a gaming PC. The Fire GL / Quadro cards are better suited for those purposes. Also, for a very long time that I've been aware of, Apple have been putting mid range cards like the 4870 and 5770 in their Mac Pros, not 5870s (this maybe different now), but even then people arent buying workstations for gaming!

Pointed out many times before. What if people are not bothered about costs? All they care about is whether they can afford it, not whether it is best bang for buck.

Plus, can you put a price on want to use OSX?

Btw, faster does not equal better? Nobody needs 10ghz and 2000gig of ram to run word and excel these days. Most people don't play games on their computer, those are in the minority, and are from boards like these. The population in large use their computer for the Internet, email and the office application, and thus a mac is plenty powerful. And yes, they don't care about paying over the odds for one hardware wise, but you don't need a modern £400 desktop to do that either, I can go online with my Pentium M 1.4Ghz with 512ram la room from 10years ago too. The point is people can afford it, they like macs, they buy it.

All this geeky reasons about overclocking, water-cooling, building your own machine, or even updating a driver? They are technical terms to most of the population, when will people here understand that?

memyselfandi · 13 Sep 2011 at 07:28

Milkybk said:
Buy the one you prefer..

This really.

Personally I have a mixture of systems running Windows, OSX and Linux and have no strong opinions on using either Windows 7 or OSX as a desktop OS (I prefer to keep Linux on my servers although I have run it on the desktop in the past).

It seems like it's considered to be "cool" in some groups to bash Apple products as they are popular with a lot of people ... but life's to short for fanboy-ism ...

flibbage0 · 13 Sep 2011 at 07:37

Macs are lovely in terms of design.

Its also the resale value that you have to consider when buying apple products, you can get a lot 3 years down the line.

Also they have quite a niche market.

imac for instance, tell me of an all in one, that looks that good, with those specs and an IPS display.

Also mac mini (yes it doesn't have an optical drive) but tell me something as small as that and has that power.

edscdk · 13 Sep 2011 at 07:41

Jolteh said:
PC users that believe they possess the divine truth and must educate the unenlightened Mac users, who don't really care.

I am a PC user, never owned a mac.

I hate MACs every time a customer buys a mac they never call me again, unless they drop it or spill somethign on it...

PC's are a gold mine, considering msost people have 2/3 windows machines now its 2/3 callsouts a year and with luck a rebuild or two...

MAC = good for user bad for anyone fixing computers!

Raymond Lin · 13 Sep 2011 at 07:43

edscdk said:
I am a PC user, never owned a mac.

I hate MACs every time a customer buys a mac they never call me again, unless they drop it or spill somethign on it...

PC's are a gold mine, considering msost people have 2/3 windows machines now its 2/3 callsouts a year and with luck a rebuild or two...

MAC = good for user bad for anyone fixing computers!

That's because they take it into the Apple Store and they fix it for free. If they are students they get 3 years free warranty!

edscdk · 13 Sep 2011 at 07:53

bhavv said:
Dont forget that you can build a workstation yourself too if you want to save some extra cash.

IMO apple should simply retire their Mac business, and rather sell their cases and OS separately for OEMs and system builders

When comparing the Dell to the Mac spec for spec like you have done, you are getting the dell for cheaper with a more expensive CPU!

If Apple had an option for the 3.46 Ghz hex core, I'd be able to laugh more at their pricing, but they have a terrible range of customization options.

Apple are worth more than microsoft and dell combined, so obviously sellng hardware and an os seperately is not a better idea...

uvarvu · 13 Sep 2011 at 08:06

PermaBanned said:
I think there's a lot of questions to be raised as to why anybody would use OSX over Linux.

LOL you're a funny man!
Linux is a great operating system for development but try asking joe public to perform tasks such as update the video drivers or set a proxy. Sure, companies like Canonical are working to make the systems more usable but they have a long way to go.

Apple are pretty much the pioneers of the desktop user experience. They know more on human computer interaction than you can shake a stick at - don't knock em!

flibbage0 · 13 Sep 2011 at 08:06

Brian8bit said:
The reason I own an iMac was because before I bought it, I was looking for a normal Windows based All-in-one PC. The only companies at the time offering such were Asus and Sony. I'm an Asus fanboy. But the Asus and Sony where around the same price (the Asus) or more expensive (the Sony) for similar or slightly inferior hardware in a not so aesthetically pleasing chassis. So I bought the iMac instead. And still, Asus All-in-ones are similarly spec'd, but don't have the aesthetic of the iMac and they're in and around the same price. I think their 24 inch All-in-one is dual core'd. The only good thing about them really is the 24" screen which I know a lot of Apple users wish the iMac still came in. Oh and blu-ray.

This man speaks sense.

uvarvu · 13 Sep 2011 at 08:09

edscdk said:
Apple are worth more than microsoft and dell combined, so obviously sellng hardware and an os seperately is not a better idea...

Indeed. Apple were briefly the biggest company in the world back in August before Exxon Mobile regained their position.

starfighter · 13 Sep 2011 at 08:34

Apple costs much more money, it is like comparing Porsche to Kia.

You can get a Windows laptop for £300, it is around 3x that for a Mac.

I use Windows for games but would happily use a Mac if games worked on them. But even then you have a limited amount of hardware, you have to give Wndows credit for working with everything. no wonder it isn't as "smooth".

You do't really get viruses unless you go around downloading dodgy stuff and Windows is much better for an office enviroment etc.

I don't care, I could buy both if I wanted.

Cosimo · 13 Sep 2011 at 08:37

bhavv said:
A few more reasons why I like PCs more than Macs

Aesthetics are very important to me, and you cant put a price on that. The PC wins hands down due to its sheer level of customisability and so many different builds and aethetics being available.[/QUOTE]

That's why it's also a winner for me. :)

Maccy · 13 Sep 2011 at 08:50

This thread is utter nonsense tbh. It's down to individual user requirements, there is not one that is better than the other. I use Windows 7 at work because the software we use is designed by HP and for Windows only. I use OSX on Mac at home primarily because of the applications are Mac specific (Logic primarily).
Yeh they both essentially do the same thing, just in different ways. I don't understand why so many of you have to get so jumped up and state that Macs are better or vice versa, surely there's more important things in life to worry about than someone else's computer?!

ubersonic · 13 Sep 2011 at 09:03

starfighter said:
Apple costs much more money, it is like comparing Porsche to Kia.

You can get a Windows laptop for £300, it is around 3x that for a Mac.

Yeah and that £300 laptop will probably have almost the same performance as the £900 macbook ^^

On a serious note I don't get why people get worked up about it, if you like Apple systems buy one, if you like a Windows system buy one, simples /churrp

On the note of the guy who said windows was less reliable thats a myth, if you run Windows XP with the latest service pack and nothing but office, media player and IE using approved hardware you should never have a problem, we have 30+ computers here running 50+ hours a week and haven't had a single blue screen, and thats over 4 years.

The reason people usually have trouble with Windows is because they build/buy a system using cheap buggy components which conflict or dont get on well then they fill the system with 3rd party software thats buggy as hell and generally crap their system up themselves, the difference is Apple protects the system from the stupid.

And of course the reason Macs have less viruses is because Mac has 5% of the market share and Windows has 91%, why would a virus writer target the Mac?

Raymond Lin · 13 Sep 2011 at 09:07

ubersonic said:
The reason people usually have trouble with Windows is because they build/buy a system using cheap buggy components which conflict or dont get on well then they fill the system with 3rd party software thats buggy as hell and generally crap their system up themselves, the difference is Apple protects the system from the stupid.

That is soooo true, especially with the Mac App Store. Every piece of software is now "pre approved".

Alpherah · 13 Sep 2011 at 09:11

uvarvu said:
Indeed. Apple were briefly the biggest company in the world back in August before Exxon Mobile regained their position.

Unless things have changed since Friday last week, Apple are still the worlds most valuable company.
They dipped behind Exxon again when Jobs stood down, but quickly went in front again.

-edit-
Just checked, Apple have steamed ahead of XOM now.

Admiral Huddy · 13 Sep 2011 at 09:14

Maccy said:
Yeh they both essentially do the same thing, just in different ways. I don't understand why so many of you have to get so jumped up and state that Macs are better or vice versa, surely there's more important things in life to worry about than someone else's computer?!

Agreed. I've never really delved into Mac's as the PC does everything as I expect so it fulfils all it's purpose and requirements. I'm sure the Mac would also but I prefer to stick to the single platform that I'm familiar with. I would never rule either out as each I guess each has it's own set of advantages/disadvantages.

Alpherah · 13 Sep 2011 at 09:20

wolframalpha-20110913031804833 by Alpherah, on Flickr

Quick graphic to back up my previous claim

haaammit · 13 Sep 2011 at 09:24

I use a pc - it does everything I need it to and looks exactly like I want it too. My mate uses a mac - it does everything he needs it too and it looks exactly like he wants it too.

Problem?

Raymond Lin · 13 Sep 2011 at 09:25

Quink said:
I use a pc - it does everything I need it to and looks exactly like I want it too. My mate uses a mac - it does everything he needs it too and it looks exactly like he wants it too.

Problem?

Not to me, i have both. They both do their thing and I don't diss PC, they are great value for money but i just prefer Macs these days for their advantages and Mac "quirks".