Madeline dead?

Azagoth said:
Why should he? Can you prove that the Father didn't have anything to do with it?
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So because he can't prove he didn't do it, the Father's a suspect?
Same goes for the Mother.
Oh and the siblings. No proof that they didn't do it either.
Oh and everyone at the resort. Oh and in Portugal. Europe.. errr

Your suspect list is going to contain a few billion people, as you can't prove any of them didn't do it either can you?

How about, we leave it as it is, and suspect people who are actually suspicious and have actual evidence against them eh?
 
Yeah, fair enough, but the Father was the last person to see her alive and as such should be regarded as a viable suspect.
 
iCraig said:
No, he shouldn't.

That doesn't constitute as evidence whatsoever.
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What about the statistic regarding likely suspects? In the absence of evidence, should you not start looking at the most likely suspects (the parents) before assuming it's definitely an unlikely one (a stranger)?

Doesn't mean I think the parents did it, but it's NOT at all stupid or cruel to suspect them given that a child IS most likely to be murdered by it's parents.
 
Well wouldn't you hit a brick wall straight away?

The mother would be his alibi for a start, and any hotel staff who saw him in the restaurant eating spaghetti around the time of her disappearance.

I'm not saying he *didn't* do it, but speculation won't stand trial.
 
Shackley said:
That is probably it - Gerry McCann, a Consultant Cardiologist encounters the dead body of his three year old daughter in her bedroom, panics and buries her 15 miles away before returning to finish his supper.

Yeah, right :rolleyes:
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Oh noes, because he is a doctor he must surely be of a high moral standing...

Wasn't Harold Shipman a GP???



Some people.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Claiming to be a medium. If the medium knows where Madeleine is buried I doubt that "I saw it in a vision" will stand up in court very well without hard evidence that she wasn't anywhere near Portugal at the time and has no absololutely no link to the kidnapper/killer.
 
nealw said:
Oh noes, because he is a doctor he must surely be of a high moral standing...

Wasn't Harold Shipman a GP???



Some people.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I think his point was that as an experienced doctor he probably wouldn't have panicked if he found her dead.
 
wikipedia said:
Nathalie Mahy was the daughter of Didier Mahy and Catherine Dizier. Stacy Lemmens was the daughter of Thierry Lemmens and Christiane Granziero, who had been found guilty of child neglect.[2]
On June 10 at 1 a.m., the two were playing outside the bar "Aux Armuriers" in the borough Saint-Léonard, while Catherine Dizier and her friend Thierry Lemmens were inside, reportedly drunk. Around 3 a.m., their disappearance was noticed and the police and Child Focus alerted.
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So basically the 2 belgian girls were playing on the street in the night, whilst their parents were getting drunk in a cafe?
 
While it isn't the most sensible thing you can do with kids under 3 years old IMO it is not the same as neglect or abandonment.

We have a 4 year old son and we would never do this, when we are on holiday he eithers goes with us to eat or one of us stays at home but I can understand it if someone would leave them in the hotel room and check on them.

But is that really the main issue now, for gods sake they are parents that are missing their kid and who is most likely dead which is horrifying and saddens me deeply whenever I think about it.
 
iCraig said:
The mother would be his alibi for a start, and any hotel staff who saw him in the restaurant eating spaghetti around the time of her disappearance.
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And what time was her disappearance? We only have the word of her father to go on. He could have done it at one of the 'regular' 30 minute check ups. And forgive me if I am wrong, wasn't her parents that raised the alarm she was missing. So he could have done at any time - the fact they was eating at a cafe outside the building makes for a convincing alibi.

I don't think you would be half as defensive iCraig if the parents were not Doctors, and the father had a shaved head and tats and spoke with a broad dialect.

Give me one good reason - other than "they have suffered" enough - why they should not be brought to court? Your not one of those woolly headed liberals that feels as long as the suspect of a crime shows enough remorse then they should not be brought to court or to justice.

Did you learn nothing from the Sohom murders?
 
glissando said:
I think his point was that as an experienced doctor he probably wouldn't have panicked if he found her dead.
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He may have if for example he checked on her and she wouldn't go to sleep, he gets frustrated, shakes her and put her back to bed, 30 minutes he returns to find her dead and then panics.

He then goes back to dispose of the body and can say that he spent those 30 minutes trying to settle her while in actual fact he was disposing of a body and then returning to the group.

Hypothetical of course but it fits a possible scenario.
 
the-void said:
And what time was her disappearance? We only have the word of her father to go on. He could have done it at one of the 'regular' 30 minute check ups. And forgive me if I am wrong, wasn't her parents that raised the alarm she was missing. So he could have done at any time - the fact they was eating at a cafe outside the building makes for a convincing alibi.
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It doesn't matter what time her disappearance was, but chances are is that the Mother is going to simply say, "He couldn't of done it, he was with me all night apart from the times he went to check on her, he was gone about 5 minutes. Not really enough time to kidnap and hide/murder our daughter without anyone noticing"

Plus anyway, was it the Father who definately checked on her? Or the Mother? Or did they do it in turns? Who knows? I'm not conclusively saying they're innocent for a fact, but you have nothing to go on apart from speculation. You have no evidence whatsoever. Being her Father and being the one who might of checked up on her is nothing, absolutely nothing.

the-void said:
I don't think you would be half as defensive iCraig if the parents were not Doctors, and the father had a shaved head and tats and spoke with a broad dialect.
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You keep pinning this crap on me, that I'm trying to defend the Mcannes, I'm not. They're idiots. Complete fools for doing that they did. The nation knows it, and I bet you they know it deep down. I couldn't care less what their profession is, in fact I had said my piece that they were idiots for leaving her before I even learnt that they or one of them were doctors.


the-void said:
Give me one good reason - other than "they have suffered" enough - why they should not be brought to court? Your not one of those woolly headed liberals that feels as long as the suspect of a crime shows enough remorse then they should not be brought to court or to justice.
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One reason? Law. They haven't broke neglection laws. They are not guilty of abandonment. Quite close I'll agree, but they haven't broke the law. So, I think, I THINK, that's why we won't be seeing them tried.

Oh and to throw another good reason in, what purpose would it serve if they went to court and sent to prison/had their kids took off them?

The parents lose all their kids. Great, nice one. They have to live with their loss of Madeleine for the rest of their lives. They're no doubt infinitely guilty of their silly mistake, so what's the point of taking their kids away? What's it going to do other than make things emotionally worse for them? Take away their kids and I wouldn't be surprised if they attempted suicide.

The kids themselves, not only have they potentially lost their sister, they'd lose their parents. Not fair on them. Don't punish the kids for the parents' mistake.

the-void said:
Did you learn nothing from the Sohom murders?
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I learnt that people like Huntley are sick beyond help and stricter laws should be brought it to help protect children. Fortunately recently in the news it seems the government are beginning to.

What did you learn from the Sohom murders then?
 
Slinwagh said:
Hypothetical of course but it fits a possible scenario.
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So does millions of scenarios. Dreaming them up in your head doesn't mean they might of happened and he should be considered a suspect.

Watch this:

Hotel porter is walking down the corridor and hears the sounds of a child sobbing. He locates the noise and opens the door, finding Madeleine on the edge of the bed sobbing. Her siblings are all asleep. He walks into the room and tries to calm Madeleine down, who seems to have bruised her leg. He tries to stop her crying but she gets hysterical, obviously in pain and wanting her Mummy. He holds her chin tightly trying to stop her from flailing her head around and pulls it sharply to get her still. Her neck breaks. He panics, terrified of what he's done. He checks the siblings have slept through her crying and hides the body, cleaning himself off before returning to work and acting normal.

You better add a hotel porter to your suspect list now. :p
 
Slinwagh said:
He may have if for example he checked on her and she wouldn't go to sleep, he gets frustrated, shakes her and put her back to bed, 30 minutes he returns to find her dead and then panics.

He then goes back to dispose of the body and can say that he spent those 30 minutes trying to settle her while in actual fact he was disposing of a body and then returning to the group.

Hypothetical of course but it fits a possible scenario.
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Might sound weird but my mum said she had a weird dream a couple of weeks ago. In this dream, the father went to check on the kids and saw Madeline awake, but she started complaining and wanted to go with her dad. My mum dreamed that he got frustrated because she wouldnt settle down and hit her, but a little too hard and accidentally killed her. Then later on he slipped off and disposed of her body somewhere. That was her dream, its uncannily similar to your 'hypothetical' theory.

I'm not saying thats whats happened as it was just a dream. But ever since day one i've had this nagging feeling that someone is hiding something and not telling anyone (i think its the father) as apparently (i didnt watch it myself), when that german news reporter asked the parents bluntly if they had anything to do with it while they were in Germany, the mother looked directly into the camera and denied it, but from what i heard, the father looked all around the room and didn't look directly into the camera when he denied it too as if something was troubling him or scaring him. Something has been fishy about this whole damn incident.

This is just my opinion. Anyone who blatently disregards any possibility that the parents had anything to do with it is a fool as in most missing children cases the parents are suspects as well until the truth is found, do people believe that due to the media attention that the parents shouldn't be at least 'considered' as possible suspects, as people have said. Her father was the last person to see her alive.
 
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