Make cannabis a Class A Drug, say Conservative Police Commissioners...

[Allnamestaken]

I woudn't be too sure about that, people who are absolute bums, will try earn easy money any how they can get, can easily stash 50+ grands worth grows in a 2 bedroom house, even if it was legalised, it will still come with a fair cost, the weed farmers will just sell it at a lesser cost, even if they could make 10K out of it they will do it, if they just doley bums.

The price of legal weed in places where its legalized is low as hell. It is near impossible to compete with those prices with "illegal grows". There would be considerably less illegal growing operations in the UK if it was legal.


You hate people growing weed illegally but don't want to have solution that solves this i.e legalisation then continue to be mad about it.

That is literally retarded.

 

[Dis86]

In the short-term I think you could be right to be honest... I think it would(could) parallel what happened with the Gangsters / Mobsters and booze running during Prohibition in the US. (and what happened after Prohibition ended)

In the mid-term to long-term though? I'm not so sure that things would end up badly. With less "easy money" to be made via illegal Cannabis, less people would become involved in the "business" in the first place, reducing the overall percentage of those "likely to end up in criminality".

Over time, yeah I think it will play out that way too. It's almost certain really. Keep in mind though that the US is still counting the cost of those who made their money during the aftermath of the prohibition period. Short term isn't so short!

 

[Devilman]

Over time, yeah I think it will play out that way too. It's almost certain really. Keep in mind though that the US is still counting the cost of those who made their money during the aftermath of the prohibition period. Short term isn't so short!

Very true, However I feel in this kind of situation we've had so much "Short-term-ism" for so long that it's really about time that society started looking at the "long game".

I also think that the longer they wait, the worse it makes things once you do make the change and the longer it takes for things to correct themselves (As you rightly pointed out with the US and who made their money during Prohibition).

Every day that goes by, another person gets "indoctrinated" into that criminal "fraternity" via becoming a street dealer, or a weed grower, or a mover and the sooner that chain is broken the better.

Plus it just seems a no-brainer at this point for the country to benefit from the money this activity is making, rather than it end up in the hands of people like your previous example who then get to consolidate their illegally earnt wealth via property and such.

It's also quite an untenable position for the government to hold - that Cannabis is a "dangerous drug" and should be kept illegal, when that very same government is responsible for the UK being the largest exporter of Medicinal Cannabis in Europe.

 

[Dis86]

Very true, However I feel in this kind of situation we've had so much "Short-term-ism" for so long that it's really about time that society started looking at the "long game".

I also think that the longer they wait, the worse it makes things once you do make the change and the longer it takes for things to correct themselves (As you rightly pointed out with the US and who made their money during Prohibition).

Every day that goes by, another person gets "indoctrinated" into that criminal "fraternity" via becoming a street dealer, or a weed grower, or a mover and the sooner that chain is broken the better.

Plus it just seems a no-brainer at this point for the country to benefit from the money this activity is making, rather than it end up in the hands of people like your previous example who then get to consolidate their illegally earnt wealth via property and such.

It's also quite an untenable position for the government to hold - that Cannabis is a "dangerous drug" and should be kept illegal, when that very same government is responsible for the UK being the largest exporter of Medicinal Cannabis in Europe.

Oh i agree with the dangerous drug lie. It's more the producers that are the danger. Its been proven frequently that it's far less dangerous than alcohol.

I just really don't think there's a clear cut or safe solution when it comes to legalisation and especially not decriminalisation as that really changes nothing and arguably makes things worse.

It's a self-made crapfest really.

 

[Devilman]

Oh i agree with the dangerous drug lie. It's more the producers that are the danger. Its been proven frequently that it's far less dangerous than alcohol.

I just really don't think there's a clear cut or safe solution when it comes to legalisation and especially not decriminalisation as that really changes nothing and arguably makes things worse.

It's a self-made crapfest really.

Yep very much so. It's the "big boy criminals" at the top of the chain who are moving tens of Kg's at a time and have their fingers in dozens of other criminal / drug related enterprises that are the danger.

Agree, I think decriminalization is a foolish "half-step" that on face value makes things seem better, but they're just as dark, if not darker underneath as it's still all being supplied by the same people it was when illegal.

They need to go the whole-hog, a "full-step" straight to legalization and legislation so as to cut off a significant portion of the criminal element from the product, while simultaneously creating job opportunities and increased tax revenue for the country.

It is strange how they often like to say the UK is a place of innovation, yet on this particular topic they seem utterly stuck in the past, unable to move on and innovate an entire industry to create new jobs and income.

 

[SPG]

No harsher, instant £500 ban for anyone caught in possession for the first offence. This then moves to £1000 and 15 days community service cleaning ditches and picking up litter in the parks from the crap they leave around sitting on benches. Compulsory Saturdays to do as well as Friday evening. If you work shifts then Sundays.

Third offence is another £1000 fine and 30 days service moving on the jail terms.

 

[Allnamestaken]

No harsher, instant £500 ban for anyone caught in possession for the first offence. This then moves to £1000 and 15 days community service cleaning ditches and picking up litter in the parks from the crap they leave around sitting on benches. Compulsory Saturdays to do as well as Friday evening. If you work shifts then Sundays.

Third offence is another £1000 fine and 30 days service moving on the jail terms.

What

 

[randal]

No harsher, instant £500 ban for anyone caught in possession for the first offence. This then moves to £1000 and 15 days community service cleaning ditches and picking up litter in the parks from the crap they leave around sitting on benches. Compulsory Saturdays to do as well as Friday evening. If you work shifts then Sundays.

Third offence is another £1000 fine and 30 days service moving on the jail terms.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you've never tried cannabis.

 

[Semple]

hmm, am I right in thinking that a regular smoker would be over the limit 24/7 then? sure I read the limit was 400k times lower than the equivalent limit for alcohol! (no idea how that was worked out)

so in some fairytale UK if it was made legal the drug driving limits would probably be changed?

I can't see why they would. The limit for alcohol is pretty low - 35mg/100ml.

I really cba reading into a subject I have zero interest in, but first google search actually suggests that more potent the drug and more frequent the use actually takes longer for it to leave the body. So regular users would be permanently over the limit.

 

[BUDFORCE]

Oh won't you help to sing? These songs of freedom.

 

[BUDFORCE]

Cannabis given enough time will be in the same boat as how it used to be illegal to be gay.

 

[rumple9]

Legalise it and tax it

 

[randal]

Legalise it and tax it

Add prescribe it to that list too.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I can't see why they would. The limit for alcohol is pretty low - 35mg/100ml.

I really cba reading into a subject I have zero interest in, but first google search actually suggests that more potent the drug and more frequent the use actually takes longer for it to leave the body. So regular users would be permanently over the limit.

No. There is a legal limit. You wouldnt just be topping it up everytime you used it. Everytime you used it that would be the max then it would reduce like drinking in a way.

 

[GGizmo]

I noticed both Germany and the Czech Republic plan on legalising recreational use of cannabis soon.

Germany plans to legalise recreational cannabis

In the EU, only Malta has legalised recreational cannabis, while the Dutch tolerate limited use.

www.bbc.co.uk

Czech Republic Plans To Legalize Cannabis In Coordination With Germany

The Czech Republic is on the way to legalizing adult-use cannabis, and it aims to coordinate with Germany to share information and the best practices to regulate the legal industry.

www.forbes.com

We'll probably be the last to legalise it.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I noticed both Germany and the Czech Republic plan on legalising recreational use of cannabis soon.

Germany plans to legalise recreational cannabis

In the EU, only Malta has legalised recreational cannabis, while the Dutch tolerate limited use.

www.bbc.co.uk

Czech Republic Plans To Legalize Cannabis In Coordination With Germany

The Czech Republic is on the way to legalizing adult-use cannabis, and it aims to coordinate with Germany to share information and the best practices to regulate the legal industry.

www.forbes.com

We'll probably be the last to legalise it.

We also wouldnt do it right when we do it either.

 

[imtoooldforthis]

The price of legal weed in places where its legalized is low as hell.

I wish, it costs about the same as it does from a dealer. In Cali its about 40-50 dollars for a hen of top quality bud. More standard bud is about 10 dollars per gram, in uk it’s generally sold for ten quid a gram. It’s really not that much cheaper.

 

[Rai200]

That didn't stop criminals earnin 1 billion from illegal alcohol sales.

LGA: Dangerous fake alcohol warning to New Year’s Eve revellers

New Year’s Eve revellers are being urged to avoid cheap and dangerous fake alcohol being sold by rogue retailers ahead of the biggest social night of the year.

www.local.gov.uk

Yearly alcohol sales total around £50,000,000,000 for the UK. So 2% are illegally produced/sold.

How is this an arguement against legalising weed? Assuming a similar trajectory you'd go from 100% illegal to 98% legal, regulated, taxed etc.

 

[dave28]

It should be legal to take it out of the hands of crusty dealers

 

[builder22]

I can't see why they would. The limit for alcohol is pretty low - 35mg/100ml.

I really cba reading into a subject I have zero interest in, but first google search actually suggests that more potent the drug and more frequent the use actually takes longer for it to leave the body. So regular users would be permanently over the limit.

point was that alcohol limit is based on impairment whereas illegal (cannabis...that can be detected long after the effects have worn off) drug limits are based on trace amounts, so if cannabis was made legal that should change