Malaysian Grand Prix 2010, Sepang - Race 3/19

I doubt it.

Taking 3 years out before retuning to F1, is a very brave decision.

Exactly - so why are people criticising him for mediocre performance in the first races back rather than bigging up his bravery?

It's a very long season, there are 16 races left. If by Turkey, MS hasn't got on terms with Rosberg the critics may have a point, but today there's simply no case to answer.
 
Exactly - so why are people criticising him for mediocre performance in the first races back rather than bigging up his bravery?

Because he is MS - the most decorated driver ever to have raced in F1, by far. No other driver even comes close to MS:

MS: 91 race wins, 7 WDC titles
Prost (next best): 51 race wins, 4 titles.
Senna (next best) 41 race wins, 3 titles.

MS has almost the same number of wins as Senna and Prost amassed together. This statistic alone gives you an idea of the level of expectation which is on MS's shoulders.
 
Sure, but that must be tempered by the fact he's 41 and been out of the sport 3 years. Not to mention having Alonso beat him in the his last two seasons.

Given the facts as you and I have just laid them out, his performance over the first three races of the season has been fine. My point is that there are simply no grounds to criticism him on, those that do are being unreasonable in my opinion.
 
I watched the MS interview on BBC where he states " I am not a magician". All this MS is past it talk is a bit pointless when the guy has just come back into F1 after 3 years. MS is not stupid and I am sure he and RB do not want to run around 10th all day.

MS will be back to his old self - he knows he can do it thats why he came back so who are we to judge. Like others have said he is not far off Rosbergs pace in all 3 GPs. The man can do it give him time.
 
3 races in, back after 3 year absense..
He knows he is in for the long haul with Merc and has time to bring himself up to speed. He is not only an asset on the track, his development, and knowledge/experience (especially with RB) will mean he is highly valued by the team regardless of his on-track exploits.

I don't expect him to be as dominant as he was in the top Ferrari days, but he will be back in the fray, and pushing the boundaries of the car (and his teammate!) soon :)
 
Danny, the top drivers (assuming we can class MS as a top driver), have never needed the car designed around them to outperform their team-mates. When MS first drove for Jordan, he never had driven in an F1 car before and immediately was outqualifying his team-mate. This continued when he moved to Bennetten, where in a car not designed around him, he was able to out-gun his team mate. Yet again when he moved to Ferrari, he was immediately faster than his team-mate.

The above pattern has not been repeated at Mercedes where Rosberg (who is also new to the team) seems to be doing a better job than MS.

I have to say that I am suprised at the fact that he seems to be slower than his team-mate, something that I never saw in 15 or so years of seeing MS race in F1.

Another point of note is that Button and Alonso have both moved to new teams during the Winter and they have both won a race each. The 'new car - new team' excuse, doesnt wash.

I'm afraid it does wash. Button is clearly struggling with a car designed around hamilton. He has pretty much admitted as much that he has issues with the car that mclaren are working on. If the car doesn't work on a friday Jenson is pretty much lost.

To compare the drivers MS had when he swapped teams before isn't the same I'd say Rosberg could well be the fastest team mate in qualifying he's ever had. Rubens was a solid driver but we all know there was no such thing as parity in a ferrari back then. Irvine was slow. He couldn't put an exocet missle on pole.

I also don't see why we are comparing Hamiltons charge through the field and Alonsos to MS. The cars are not yet in the same league. Also all those drivers did was cut through the grid until they found someone of semi comparable pace. Then they stopped.

Again why are you not looking at MS's pace in bahrain and applauding him for keeping pace with Rosberg, in his first race. It showed in clear air with both cars next to each other MS was atleast as fast as Rosberg.

He was unlucky in oz, lets stick rosberg near the back and see how far he cuts through the field.

Of course MS is past his best, that's hardly a shocker. The tech advantage the ferraris had in the 2000's hid his very slow demise. Thats not to say even a 41 year old isn't a match for rosberg.

Let me tell you exactly whats goign to happen, MS will have things turn his way for a race or two and all of a sudden everyone like yourself will be proclaiming him to have reclaimed his speed and the old magic has returned. When all thats really lacking is a bit of running in the car and a tiny bit more luck.

Wet weather qualifying is always a bit of a lottery and usually the last cars over the line are the fastest, except Webber who gambled.

As I say the man had 3 years out and returned for his first race and was atleast as fast as britney. That for me was stunning and no one can accuse me of ever following schumacher.
 
Button is clearly struggling with a car designed around hamilton. He has pretty much admitted as much that he has issues with the car that mclaren are working on. If the car doesn't work on a friday Jenson is pretty much lost.

The McLaren is not perfect. Even Hamilton has said this. But at this point, only the RedBull is "perfect" because it is the fastest. The fact that Button and Hamilton have both said the car has a long way to go is hardly a surprise. And despite the car not being great, Button, in a new team/car designed around Hamilton, still got the win.

Irvine was slow. He couldn't put an exocet missle on pole.

For outright pace, Irvine was rated highly. In fact, he got involved in a physical altercation with Senna, because he wouldn't yield easily and was able to keep Senna behind him for 3 laps.
http://www.themagicofsenna.com/senna/suzuka.html

Irvines main problem that he was a playboy and just didnt take F1 seriously. He made a point of going to beauty pageants have having sex with contestants in toilets. He was a fast driver though.
 
Button got the win because the car worked for him in practice 1. If the car is not working for him on the first day of practice he usually doesn't recover it.

Woohoo he kept senna behind for 3 laps. Irvine was not fast he was hand picked to do a no job for a lot of money because he would put up and shut up. Even the year he nearly won the title he couldn't get pole, then MS turns up after months out and puts the car on pole. Mika Salo outdrove him straight away and had to gift Irvine a win that was his.

Irvine was happy just to finish second even if it was 40 seconds behind MS. Atleast rubens would try to prove he was keeping up with MS even though he wasn't allowed to pass.

I've said before I shared a flight with the Jaguar team and not one of them had a good word to say about irvines pace.
 
The problem is that he is taking a beating at the hands of Rosberg, who isn't rated too highly by most (although this may now be changing).
Since when has Rosberg not been highly rated :confused: And I'd hardly say Schumacher has been "taking a beating" from Rosberg - he got punted out of one race and a wheel fell off on the other! In the first race they were running in what, a couple of tenths of each other's time?

I think you are adjusting reality to suit your arguments again ;)
 
Since when has Rosberg not been highly rated :confused:

He is regarded as a good driver, but not of the callibre of Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel. MS used to be in that category - a category that Rosberg, as yet, has not entered.

And I'd hardly say Schumacher has been "taking a beating" from Rosberg - he got punted out of one race and a wheel fell off on the other! In the first race they were running in what, a couple of tenths of each other's time?

MS has been outqualified by his team-mate 3/3 times. I asked this earlier - when was the last time MS was outqualified 3/3 times? From memory, I believe this has never happened. Furthermore, in all the races, when he was punted/shunted/broken down, MS has been behind Rosberg at that time, so if MS had not been involved in those incidents, he would've finished behind his team-mate everytime. Again, when was the last time MS was outperformed in races 3/3 times? I don't think this has ever happened.

Out of all the top teams, I do believe no driver has taken a beating in the same way MS has. Alonso-Massa are fairly even right now. Hamilton and Button are fairly even. Webber is inferior to Vettel, but Webber did get the pole position. MS on the other hand has been beaten in every qualifying session and race by his team-mate.

What Rosberg is doing to MS is exactly what MS used to do to his team-mates. To me, Rosberg is in the process of breaking MS and I just hope MS doesnt fold.

In saying all of the above, I still believe MS will finish above Rosberg (providing he stays for the full season).

I think you are adjusting reality to suit your arguments again ;)

Nope. I'm just saying what I see.
 
I've got a lot of money on Vettel for WDC put on after the first GP, pretty happy now but let's hope this continues. Glad he made it out of the hottest one fine, though being in the front would've helped things considerably
 
I've got a lot of money on Vettel for WDC put on after the first GP, pretty happy now but let's hope this continues. Glad he made it out of the hottest one fine, though being in the front would've helped things considerably

How much do you stand to win/lose if he wins/loses the WDC?
 
I would like them to up the speed lane limit but with so many people now working the stops I cannot see it happening. Plus some of the pitlanes are not wide enough.

The trouble is if you up the limit and reduce the number of mechanics you still end up with a longer stop.

Clearly though they need to do something because it loses far too much time currently.
 
I would like them to up the speed lane limit but with so many people now working the stops I cannot see it happening. Plus some of the pitlanes are not wide enough.

The trouble is if you up the limit and reduce the number of mechanics you still end up with a longer stop.

Clearly though they need to do something because it loses far too much time currently.

get people off the pit wall and stick em somewhere else instead and the pit lane is now so much safer for the cars to go faster ;)
 
The problem isn't the fact that he is struggling to score points. The problem is that he is taking a beating at the hands of Rosberg, who isn't rated too highly by most (although this may now be changing).

Rosberg was rated highly enough that Ron Dennis tried to prise him from Frank's hands for a very large sum of money before ending up with Heikki.
 
Rather than rating Rosberg poorly, I reckon it's more accurate to say that he's an unknown quantity. He's one of the better young talents to enter the sport, but his only real accomplishment to date is consistently outpacing team mate Nakajima..
 
Rosberg was rated highly enough that Ron Dennis tried to prise him from Frank's hands for a very large sum of money before ending up with Heikki.

He certainly wasnt rated in the same category as Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel/(younger) MS.

Think how highly MS is thought of in F1 circles. You don't expect him to get beat by a driver who has won 0 races, got 0 pole positions and only attained a single podium finish, in his pre-Mercedes career.
 
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