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Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19
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Sorry but the bolded bit is utterly rubbish, there is no logical link between being a driver and thus knowing everything about racing, there are drivers who can go on to run a race team, be strategists in terms of racing, or build cars, and are just generally very smart, and there are drivers who know which pedal makes the car go faster and which one makes it slower, and are complete cretins aside from that.
Brundle knowing more than us would be Brundle even once in a while calling who is fast, and who is slow correctly. He misses huge things in races, calls whats going on wrong consistently, makes wrong predictions and is just generally crap.
Being an ex pro means exactly nothing in terms of how much someone knows about a sport, nothing. Mark Lawrenson knows absolutely and completely nothing about football and talks 100% crap, he's never right about anything, he's an ex footballer.
As for speaking to the drivers, most of what they say gets repeated on camera, and most of it is handed to them word for word by PR people, its meaningless guff most of the time(though unhappy drivers tend to be less careful, or feel the need to make excuses.... about their balance).
The fact that not only Brundle's commentary during a race, but most of his prerace build up is all complete crap suggests he absolutely doesn't know what he's talking about. Ultimately he's doing basically the same job as Crofty, who also gets just about everything wrong. People get jobs they don't deserve and can't do well incredibly frequently.
Might not be remembering correctly but seem to remember Brundle banging on about how good Williams and Mclaren looked preseason......
His grid walks are embarrassing, and arsey and he parades around like he's some kind of hero to everyone because he used to drive.
During the last race Kimi was something along the lines of 15 seconds ahead, same pace as ALonso at the time and both needed one more pitstop each, so Brundle called Alonso the clear favourite to win the race at that point in time... he's a complete idiot.
So you are trying to argue that ITV, BBC and SKY hired a (two in the case of BBc and SKY) F1 commentator that doesn't know what he's talking about?
I find both Brundle particularly knowledgeable, and much prefer his commentary to James Hunt. Then again I still like Murray Walker despite his inaccuracies and lack of technical knowledge.
Watched legends of F1 this morning about Murray Walker. He talked about how he didn't get on in the commentary box, sharing a single microphone with James Hunt. He said how rude and arrogant Hunt could be. Then they played a clip of Murray commentating followed by Hunt's bleeped out swearing when he bsically replied that Murray was talking rubbish. Murray was like " ..anyway.." and just ignored him, lol.
Well I have to say I thought Sutil was on for pole. But he's presumably not as confident or experienced in the wet because his car should still have been in the top 3, considering it was fast enough to take P1 in Q2. I just think it would have been very interesting to see Force India on the podium. Thank god for iplayer. I watched practise 2 this morning, then had about an hour to kill before qualis started, but fell asleep and missed it.
Well I have to say I thought Sutil was on for pole. But he's presumably not as confident or experienced in the wet because his car should still have been in the top 3, considering it was fast enough to take P1 in Q2. I just think it would have been very interesting to see Force India on the podium. Thank god for iplayer. I watched practise 2 this morning, then had about an hour to kill before qualis started, but fell asleep and missed it.
You got to admit he gets it wrong to often i.e
Sky today
Brundle= And vettel was much faster on that lap more then a second faster than anyone else
Brundle's Mate=that was awesome driving.
BBC today
And vettel goes faster then anyone on that lap.
That's right because vettel was using the option tire and Lewis was on hard.
Brundle dare not say a bad thing about anyone\thing as his son is trying to be a racing driver at the mow.
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Compared to last weekend I don't think Mclaren looked too shabby at all, especially the improvement made in the dry (q2).
To say they won't be "doing much at all this year" is extremely short sighted.
In qualifying he is on par, if not better than Alonso. But once the race starts, Alonso beats him every time.
I believe Alonso used the pits to his advantage and somehow managed to leapfrog Massa/Vettel?
Also I believe, Massa was keeping Alonso at bay in the first stage of the race and at one point I think he dropped him? (But could be Alonso's tyre management - not sure need to see the race again).
Whatever the case, we are seeing a re-surging Massa finishing only a few seconds shy off his teammate in the last few races.
Certainly a far cry from his performance this time last year.
And also... first time in a long time that Massa has finished on the front row AND ahead of his team mate, it may not faze Alonso but its certainly a confidence boost for Massa.
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Alonso was saying on Friday how its better to have a race car than a qualifying one, I expect he will pass Massa tomorrow if needed.
Live chat with Massimo Rivola suggested if dry a 4 stop race maybe, the tyres are too soft, Seb will prob dominate if it's wet, Merc has improved in the long runs, reckons in the dry then Ferrari can go for the win.
Live chat with Massimo Rivola suggested if dry a 4 stop race maybe, the tyres are too soft, Seb will prob dominate if it's wet, Merc has improved in the long runs, reckons in the dry then Ferrari can go for the win.
But Massa said that had it been dry he felt they would not have been so competitive.. (in qual trim at least anyway).
Ugh... so many unknowns... will be interesting race tomorrow
Perhaps. Maybe my kneejerk reaction is somewhat premature for so early on in the competition. But let me play devil's advocate for a moment. By not doing much at all I mean being in the top 3 of the drivers and constructors by the end of the season and standing on the podium a few times. Can you honestly see Perez or Button being in the top 3 drivers at any point of the season when we have the likes of Lotus, Ferrari, RB and Mercedes with such quick cars, and even Force India? Granted there's upgrades and tweaks to come, but so far, McLaren have given us precious little to have a whole lot of faith in them.
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I didn't suggest he's an idiot, I said being an expro could mean anything, good or bad, secondly, the only things I passed off as fact, were the things he got completely wrong ALL the time. When was the last time he predicted something correctly? Brundle is the one who tries to pass off the nonsense he says as fact, yet he misses the most basic things in EVERY race.
So you are trying to argue that ITV, BBC and SKY hired a (two in the case of BBc and SKY) F1 commentator that doesn't know what he's talking about?
I find both Brundle particularly knowledgeable, and much prefer his commentary to James Hunt. Then again I still like Murray Walker despite his inaccuracies and lack of technical knowledge.
Yes, sky, bbc and most assuredly ITV have pretty terrible commentators, certain sports are plagued with the idea you can only hire ex pro's for punditry and a huge portion of them are utter rubbish. MOST people think Shearer, Hanson and Lawro are crap, almost everyone thinks ITV hires truly terrible pundits/commentators(they have one/maybe two but most commentary teams have at least one incredibly awful commentator in them). Its not a minority opinion, BBC, Sky and absolutely ITV have been accused of hiring and massively overpaying crap commentators for well over a decade. They hire some good ones, but more bad than good and its been that way for ages. They hired Adebayor for South Africa.... lol, I think the worst commentator I've seen to date and got removed after pretty much one appearance. Its a culture of hiring ex pro's because current pro's know they'll by and large be "nice" about any big names in sport, which makes them bland and pointless.
This is very plausible, I was going to add it before but didn't, the vast majority of ex pro's "hang around" the old scene, be it Shearer/Lawro going to events with current footballers, award ceremonies, charity do's, football matches, Brundle wants to talk to all the current F1 drivers, which is even worse as F1 is one location and everyones there every time. Pundits are frequently too scared to upset the boat and ask the difficult questions, or point out the massive mistakes, because they've got to work there. Its why people not in the sport and not looking to kiss arse, make for better pundits.
Brundle may be the single most knowledgeable man in F1 EVER, but if he censors all that on camera, its irrelevant. His prerace stuff is tame and generic, his predictions "kind" to everyone, and I actually he's genuinely crap at commetary. Missing the only interesting things to happen in the final third of the race is pretty terrible when he's sat infront of a screen of data and can see gaps appear out of nowhere. This happens at every race, predicting Alonso favourite to win while 15 seconds back with a stop to go is ridiculous.
It's fair enough to say that the coverage in Aussie was crap, AFAIK its local directors that choose which footage goes out live and they managed to completely miss Sutil going off or loacked up and flatspotted the tyre(maybe the latter as he took a few laps to speed up again), and missed all the shenanigans right behind Button, they also had the camera really poorly placed for the corner where Kimi got past Hamilton later in the race. But Coulthard managed to spot that something was going on behind Button with the three behind him despite it not being on camera. Its Brundles JOB to notice the things the viewer can't, and he has vastly more information, yet frequently misses these things.
I don't care for Brundle, I think he's rubbish at the job he's doing, if he has better knowledge and is just generic and easy on everyone rather than inept, I don't care. I don't really care about crap commentators, its mostly white noise, same with football. But the weight given to his opinion by fans, is simply completely unjustified and its plainly obvious how poor his commentary is and how pointless, bland and usually incorrect his punditry is.
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Ello everyone, watched qualy in bed, grrr at P1 and 3.
Happy if Massa wins, just doing my usual "anyone but Fred or the finger"
See you all about half 7, who's turn is it to make breakfast?
Whos Fred?
(Gotta ask every season!)
I can understand Di Resta's reaction to missing out on Q3 today, but the way he conveyed himself betrayed the pressure he's already feeling from Sutil. It is one thing to keep a healthy pressure on the team to encourage an atmosphere is seeking to constantly improve - it is another to just park blame.
He badly needs some points here.
It didn't look to me as though McLaren had made the jump forward that many are saying. The car still looked skitty over the kerbs and that translated to a performance in the wet that was just way off the pace.
Can't wait for tomorrow though - should be a fascinating race.
He badly needs some points here.
It didn't look to me as though McLaren had made the jump forward that many are saying. The car still looked skitty over the kerbs and that translated to a performance in the wet that was just way off the pace.
Can't wait for tomorrow though - should be a fascinating race.
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I am really finding the tyres, tyres, tyres thing incredibly dull tbh.
I can see why people have you on their ignore lists. I'm fairly confident you've never tried to commentate on anything and positive you've never driven a race car or been part of a race team so forgive me if I laugh in your general direction. Easy to throw stones from a sofa when you've never walked in a persons shoes. Brundle gets it wrong now and again, so what, we all do. Most in the sport would argue he's the best out there, Niki Lauda springs to mind, but then what would he know, he's not got the insight of your sofa...
Most people at home are looking at one screen, brundle is looking at multiple while looking at the track, of course he misses stuff and gets it wrong. Who knows what his actual view is while commentating on a situation with the producer in his ear.
As JB and Lewis found out when they had a go at tv work.
As JB and Lewis found out when they had a go at tv work.