Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

So were the ferraris on fresh inters for their lap aswell?

Also,as mentioned earlier in the thread,the commentators are awful.Croft going on about Rosberg out performing Hamilton "again" after q2 had finished. Now do they get these jobs??

Brundle was doing the same, as I said before we had Brundle(and lots of fans) going on about Button and Mclaren being good in the wet, and Button said they looked good in the wet last week but not here.... he didn't at any stage look good in the wet, he got fastest laps first and last on Inters because he was first onto them last week, and last off them this week, his pace vs others on the same lap actually going for it was CRAP in the wet, and crap in the dry, not a go at Button(though I do love to do so), that Mclaren just isn't there, taking odd laps like the fastest inter lap as a reason Mclaren might have improved is mental. I mean if it was fully dry and a Marrusia went out and did an 8 second slower lap on inters... would that car be best because it did the fastest inter lap, of course not. Was the Mclaren fast in changing conditions because as everyone else pitted, on a drying track, Button stayed out and did a fast lap in conditions that were well into slicks, again no.

Brundle gets this stuff wrong more often than Crofty, they are both very poor at reading whats going on and why, ignoring that the best 4-5 drivers barely even try till Q3. Vettel/Webber mostly sucked in Q1 because they were going for enough, rather than full pace, I really don't know why they can't get this.

To be honest, I think part of it is mentality, Brundle was a meh driver at best and generally speaking like maybe Rosberg and drivers in lower teams simply always tried to go the fastest he could because there is no margin for error, a world champion doing commentary, who gets the mentality of doing enough till its important would probably have a different view of what is happening, but its not hard to learn this over time. I've always disliked Brundle and the view that he's a driver therefore must be right, he's almost always wrong, about everything, and misses key things going on in every single race.

Coulthard spotted that Vergne, Grosjean and Perez were peeing around and probably went off the track as they were right up Button's arse before dropping 4-5 seconds back in the space of one lap, Brundle/Crofty didn't register it at all, nor noticed when Sutil did a random 8 second slower lap and fell right back into Hamilton.

Ferrari looking good then. Vettel eats his tyres while Alonso wins the race?

We'll see, in extreme temps if we have them tomorrow we'll see what happens, but there is GP2 stuff happening this weekend so the track should be massively better rubbered than in last weeks race. In changing conditions Vettel should do well, Red Bull frequently get strategy(at least Vettel's :p ) right, so pace + correct pits at the right times has a very good chance. But I think he'll be following at least one Ferrari from the first corner... unless the race starts with a safety car.... its impossible to predict basically. If its dry start and dry throughout, Ferrari looks to have the strongest package in terms of grid start and race pace. Kimi might be faster in race pace due to tyre saving(he might not) but being that far back the advantage is with Ferrari.

Hamilton will be interesting, great wet driver and potentially without all the wrong calls on strategy that Mclaren made in wet races previously, he could be very strong in the rain.
 
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Watched the Qually & did wonder myself what the **** the commentators were chatting about. The conditions changed all the time & the times were all up in the air because of it, The commentators ignoring this fact to try to make it seem as if there was an even battle going on shot my box. :confused:
 
Ferrari win I feel

Hoping for hot dry high tyre degradation

Lotus really screwed up qualifying! Especially since the 11th place advantage is negated.. Grrr.. Hi tyre wear please

As said, the commentary was poor, trying to extrapolate performance on a drying track, sky isn't a touch on bbc coverage, disappointed by bundle compared to few years ago
 
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3 place grid drop for Raikkonen for blocking Rosberg.

So Button up to 7th, Sutil 8th, Perez 9th and Raikkonen down to 10th.

I'm sure he'll be thrilled with that...
 
Watched the Qually & did wonder myself what the **** the commentators were chatting about. The conditions changed all the time & the times were all up in the air because of it, The commentators ignoring this fact to try to make it seem as if there was an even battle going on shot my box. :confused:

Don't forget that they are commentating to the average Joe so most the time just say what they see at that exact time e.g. Rosberg outperforming Hamilton.

Obviously someone like Brundle know what's going on a hell of a lot better than we do. Excluding his experience, he'll have been talking to drivers and team members all weekend, plus he gets a producer in his ear filling him on news and info.
 

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i'm not a massive F1 fan but i am watching the q1 now.

why would anyone want to go out first when the advantage is to go out later when more rubber has been put down?
 
Don't forget that they are commentating to the average Joe so most the time just say what they see at that exact time e.g. Rosberg outperforming Hamilton.

Obviously someone like Brundle know what's going on a hell of a lot better than we do. Excluding his experience, he'll have been talking to drivers and team members all weekend, plus he gets a producer in his ear filling him on news and info.

Sorry but the bolded bit is utterly rubbish, there is no logical link between being a driver and thus knowing everything about racing, there are drivers who can go on to run a race team, be strategists in terms of racing, or build cars, and are just generally very smart, and there are drivers who know which pedal makes the car go faster and which one makes it slower, and are complete cretins aside from that.

Brundle knowing more than us would be Brundle even once in a while calling who is fast, and who is slow correctly. He misses huge things in races, calls whats going on wrong consistently, makes wrong predictions and is just generally crap.

Being an ex pro means exactly nothing in terms of how much someone knows about a sport, nothing. Mark Lawrenson knows absolutely and completely nothing about football and talks 100% crap, he's never right about anything, he's an ex footballer.

As for speaking to the drivers, most of what they say gets repeated on camera, and most of it is handed to them word for word by PR people, its meaningless guff most of the time(though unhappy drivers tend to be less careful, or feel the need to make excuses.... about their balance :p ).

The fact that not only Brundle's commentary during a race, but most of his prerace build up is all complete crap suggests he absolutely doesn't know what he's talking about. Ultimately he's doing basically the same job as Crofty, who also gets just about everything wrong. People get jobs they don't deserve and can't do well incredibly frequently.

Might not be remembering correctly but seem to remember Brundle banging on about how good Williams and Mclaren looked preseason......

His grid walks are embarrassing, and arsey and he parades around like he's some kind of hero to everyone because he used to drive.

During the last race Kimi was something along the lines of 15 seconds ahead, same pace as ALonso at the time and both needed one more pitstop each, so Brundle called Alonso the clear favourite to win the race at that point in time... he's a complete idiot.
 
Watch Q2 and you'll have your answer

He's very right there but with two things to add, some drivers can go out do an outlap, bang in the perfect lap and then go back in the pits with a great time. Other drivers tend to build up to a fast lap, need to get into the grove, feel out where the track is and how deep into corners they can go... I'd say there is more of the latter than the former. Guys who can come out and just be straight on it in one lap, Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton, to a lesser degree Massa, Kimi, Grosjean is a bit inconsistent and hovers between the two groups and most of the rest of the field are more "build up" kinda racers.

The other thing being, track space, getting within even 4-5 seconds of the guy infront can harm your aero performance in corners, so you frequently get people slowing 5-10 seconds before the last corner, so when there is a queue of cars you lose tire temp and overall speed. If everyone came out in the last few minutes it would be insanely busy on track and loads of peoples laps would get comprimised by traffic, being too close to the guy infront. A lot of guys go out and do a banker lap early just incase something happens later. If someone spins/stops on track with a minute to go and you've not put a time in, you're screwed.
 
Sorry but the bolded bit is utterly rubbish, there is no logical link between being a driver and thus knowing everything about racing, there are drivers who can go on to run a race team, be strategists in terms of racing, or build cars, and are just generally very smart, and there are drivers who know which pedal makes the car go faster and which one makes it slower, and are complete cretins aside from that.

Brundle knowing more than us would be Brundle even once in a while calling who is fast, and who is slow correctly. He misses huge things in races, calls whats going on wrong consistently, makes wrong predictions and is just generally crap.

Being an ex pro means exactly nothing in terms of how much someone knows about a sport, nothing. Mark Lawrenson knows absolutely and completely nothing about football and talks 100% crap, he's never right about anything, he's an ex footballer.

As for speaking to the drivers, most of what they say gets repeated on camera, and most of it is handed to them word for word by PR people, its meaningless guff most of the time(though unhappy drivers tend to be less careful, or feel the need to make excuses.... about their balance :p ).

The fact that not only Brundle's commentary during a race, but most of his prerace build up is all complete crap suggests he absolutely doesn't know what he's talking about. Ultimately he's doing basically the same job as Crofty, who also gets just about everything wrong. People get jobs they don't deserve and can't do well incredibly frequently.

Might not be remembering correctly but seem to remember Brundle banging on about how good Williams and Mclaren looked preseason......

His grid walks are embarrassing, and arsey and he parades around like he's some kind of hero to everyone because he used to drive.

During the last race Kimi was something along the lines of 15 seconds ahead, same pace as ALonso at the time and both needed one more pitstop each, so Brundle called Alonso the clear favourite to win the race at that point in time... he's a complete idiot.

What a big pile of bias ridden dung you are trying to pass off as fact. I understand your point about doing does not mean all knowing but please, don't try and suggest Brundle is an idiot or not as well informed as most, perhaps less so than you, because it's utter sheeee ite.

As you were.
 
What a big pile of bias ridden dung you are trying to pass off as fact. I understand your point about doing does not mean all knowing but please, don't try and suggest Brundle is an idiot or not as well informed as most, perhaps less so than you, because it's utter sheeee ite.

As you were.

And one of many reasons why he's on my ignore list :).
 
What a big pile of bias ridden dung you are trying to pass off as fact. I understand your point about doing does not mean all knowing but please, don't try and suggest Brundle is an idiot or not as well informed as most, perhaps less so than you, because it's utter sheeee ite.

As you were.

Don't mind him. No one pays attention to any of his rants in whatever forum it may be.
 
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