Man and dinosaurs, when did we first know about them?

kedge said:
Research is the key, but please try to be humble and try not to be ignorant.
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Who is ignorant? Me? :D

Let me try again. Please cite your evidence that all dating techniques are flawed (outside of error margins accepted by mainstream science) and that the world is really only a few thousand years old. Please, if you would be so humble.

Science has checks and balances built in - you make a claim and lots of people set about trying to prove you wrong.
 
d_brennen said:
[Citation Needed]
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Agreed. Lets just cut to the chase though. He needs to read this article. Everything said in the article can be independently verified through peer reviewed scientific journals, or simply by reading a few books by experts in the field. To argue against this massive amount of empirical evidence is to argue against the scientific consensus that the earth is indeed around 4.5 billion years old. If people choose to refute this, then the burden of proof is on them.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dating.html
 
Well every time this crap comes up he raises his "belief system" and that the universe was caused by God.

Right there is the end of any rational discussion.
 
jmc007 said:
Some more very interesting pictures and info:- http://www.docstoc.com/docs/57757705/Dinos-or-Dragons---Unlocking-SAR
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jmc007 said:
First century piece of art from Pompeii.

http://www.douglashamp.com/nile-mosaic-of-palestrina/

Pompeii is a ruined Roman city near modern Naples in the Italian region of Campania, in the territory of the commune of Pompei. It was destroyed during a catastrophic eruption of the volcano Mount Vesuvius on 24 August 79 AD.
The volcano buried the city under many metres of ash and it was lost for 1,600 years before its accidental rediscovery in 1748. Since then, its excavation has provided an extraordinarily detailed insight into the life of a city at the height of the Roman Empire
Both of the images on the left are from the “Hunt” mosaic discovered in the House of the physician in Pompeii, Rome.

When the images are discussed, it is within academia, not with the general public.
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Greek and Roman 'history and culture' is full of mythological beasts and entities - the panoply of gods they worshiped all had their associated forms and family trees, usually associated with the mating of humans with gods (zeus appears at various times to seduce mortal maidens, manifests himself as a swan and at one time, a 'golden shower' - interpret that as you will).
There's very little in the way of 'science' in it when you have a culture that revolves around sacrifice and libations to the gods for just about any earthly endeavor imaginable, not forgetting the gods and their factions and interests in mortals as pawns in their personal conceits.

Go read the Odyssey and the Illiad by the epic poet Homer, and The Aeneid by Virgil - Greek and Roman poets, Virgils epic is based upon those of Homer who preceded him.
These are classical mythology and an insight into many of the cultural aspects of early Greek and Roman culture and civillsation. What they are not is a record of creatures actually encountered by the people at the time - indeed many of the mosaics you linked to with the article will be traditional images based on the mythology, in much the same way as stained glass church windows or iconography found in many households today, all of which depict the religious beliefs, mighty heroes and the morals and sexual mores of the people of the time (there are many common frescoes in the houses in Pompei of couples having sex, yet we don't have the same speculation over them).

My point is all of these 'exciting discoveries, hotly discussed within the scope of academia' are not revelations into some detailed taxonomical record, that just so happens to be painted on someones wall as a decoration instead of in a museum or historical archive (of which there are many such written records by other authors in greek and roman history - take Plato, one of the greatest philosophical minds to have ever lived, or Aristotle, you'd have thought they'd have some mention of dinosaurs in their thinking.... but instead they ponder on what makes a man and a society good and just, and other such abstract intellectual constructs), they are pleasing art to decorate the home concurrent with the culture and imagination of the time, AND NOTHING MORE. To suggest otherwise is fanciful at best.
 
deuse said:
Does anyone else find it a bit strange that for hundreds of millions of years there was not a sniff of man
then a big rock hit the earth 65 million years ago and that's about the same time that man started out.
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I might find it interesting if it was true, but it isn't. There's no sign of people until ~2 million years ago, and they weren't even the same species as us. In evolutionary terms for a species with a lifespan of years (it might be ~75 now, but it was probably far less for the mammals we evolved from), ~63 million years is not a trivial amount of time.

~65 million years ago there was a major extinction event and climate change (perhaps triggered by the same thing - a large enough asteroid impact could do it). It's hardly surprising that other animals evolved and expanded into the huge gaps left by the relatively very quick demise of the dinosaurs (and many other species - most species became extinct). Mammals - small (low food requirement), highly mobile, versatile and able to internally regulate their own temperature - were very well suited to survive and evolve to fit the many huge gaps in the ecosystems. Were the ratty little mammals of ~65 million years ago the starting point of humans? Not really. They were one of the more important points on the road leading from the first life on Earth to humans, but so were all sorts of animals over hundreds of millions of years.
 
kedge said:
All in your opinion you have zero proof that rocks are indeed millions of years old, all known dating methods spit out erroneous dates, there are no known exact absolute dates, much is based on evolutionary assumptions.
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Think you will find a rather large amount of evidence that says they are from various scientific fields. Again give us your evidence and lets have a look.

Basically you will simply ignore evidence that contradicts your view.

On the plus side your views have just given myself and my family and a right good laugh :D
 
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I love kedge. He appears in these threads, throws about his 'interesting' views, riles everybody up, takes it too far and gets himself suspended. Every single time.

\^m^/
 
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