that's arsenal guaranteed to not the the premier league any time soon then
What like you lot??
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What like you lot??
.You do have to ask yourself what Arsenals ambitions actually are. Winning only the FA cup for pretty much any of the top sides apart from Arsenal would be considered an alright season but not good. Winning the FA cup was celebrated like you had won the Champions League which is a bit of a worry really. I know it was years without any trophy but Arsenal should be looking to compete for a few trophies a year.
Yep and no one gives a **** about the FA cup inside the top 4 unless there's nothing else to play for. I have been a big champion of Wengers work over the years on here, but I do think they need a fresh out look at the club. He has done amazing things with the budget he has had but it's the same thing year in year out. It should have been a one year deal. It's becoming as comfortable a job as Moyes was at Everton.
Don't forget that the number of years on the contract is virtually irrelevant.
If you perform badly, you can be fired 10 months into a 7 year contract
I thought it was a 6 year contract, but it certainly looks like not getting CL qualification activated some kind of clause allowing him to be removed for cheaper than that.
As for Arsenal, who else would they get that would be an improvement?
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Thing is this year City, Chelsea, Everton, Utd and Spurs all had to cope with new managers. FA cup isn't high on the priority list full stop but even more so in your first season. league + cl take priority and it's rare for a new manager, effectively almost impossible in a competitive league/cl to win a treble.
Liverpool were in with a genuine shot at the title and Everton in with a genuine shot at 4th, down to Newcastle no one else gave a damn about the FA cup this year and as such we managed to win it, even then we almost threw it away against a truly awful Hull team(finishing the season in full on relegation level form).
3 year extension means 3 more years of not fixing a single problem we've had.
We won the FA cup by default, being the only other club in the top 8 to not have anything bigger than usual to aim for. Next year Chelsea/City will take the FA cup more seriously, if Utd are doing remotely well then everton will have little to no shot of 4th and will also maybe think about the cup more. Liverpool I think will have a much lower chance of the title, almost none really(imho) and CL will likely take a lot out of them.
We give Wenger an extension for throwing away a title fight in the one year in which literally the entire rest of the usual top 5 were in huge rebuilding years under new management and our stability and having the team settled with minor changes still couldn't compete. Chelsea/City/Liverpool/Everton will all be more settled next year. Chelsea will add a real striker, utd have every chance of jumping right back towards the top four.
The thing that changed this year wasn't Arsenal but all those teams around them, it made sense and was expected that teams with new managers won't be at their best in the first year... so what hope have we got next season. None at all, without a new manager making the right calls.
When you look back at how badly we got torn to pieces against Liverpool, City and Chelsea, the single biggest areas we were exposed time and time again were fullback, both sides. yet we spent the entire year begging Sagna to sign a new contract rather than being happy he's gone and getting someone who can defend. Gibbs can't defend for ****, should be gone, and Giroud is a hopeless waste of space, going in to this season, the best chance we'd ever have at the title considering the opposition all getting new managers, we went in to the season with Giroud and Sanogo and clearly no intention of playing Bendtner as usual. Two strikers, one utterly limited and one a kid with zero experience at this level(and frankly doesn't look remotely good).
This is the manager to take us forward despite not moving forward in 8 years? laughable.
To be fair, there's been nothing this season that should give Arsenal fans a lot of faith in Wenger. It's been more of the same. Okay, you finally won a trophy, but almost blew it against Hull, and didn't have the most difficult run to get there.
On the other hand, there are 18 seasons in a row to give fans faith that they'll be in the CL next season and competing for trophies.
I'm pretty sure this was the season that Arsenal were going to drop out of the top 4. Or was it last season. Or the season before that. Etc etc
As far as I can tell according to DM the only reason that Arsenal have ever qualified for the CL or won anything is that every other team in the league is consistently plagued with enough bad luck and misfortune that prevents them winning enough games to finish above Arsenal or beat them in cup competitions.
I'm pretty sure this was the season that Arsenal were going to drop out of the top 4. Or was it last season. Or the season before that. Etc etc
As far as I can tell according to DM the only reason that Arsenal have ever qualified for the CL or won anything is that every other team in the league is consistently plagued with enough bad luck and misfortune that prevents them winning enough games to finish above Arsenal or beat them in cup competitions.
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Yeah I agree and to be fair after years of sticking up for Wenger against the tide on here, a lot of what DM just posted I agree with. I think they badly need a new approach. The lack of fight against the top teams last year and well just lack of backbone would worry me if I was an Arsenal fan.
Squad isn't an excuse, when I said on here last year at multiple times the squad had no real quality of depth other than the starting 11 I was rounded on by Arsenal fans. So despite them having what they thought was a strong enough squad they ran out of steam and stamina again. How many more seasons can you let that slide?
Making the numbers up is not the same as competing for a trophy. You compete for the CL in the same way England are competing for the world cup and european championship.
But realistically that's where they are. You have two teams in Chelsea and City who have hugely stronger squads through massively outspending them over the last few years and so they are more akin to Liverpool where top 4 is a reasonable expectation and every now and then they might go on a big run and flirt with the league title or win a trophy.Making the numbers up is not the same as competing for a trophy. You compete for the CL in the same way England are competing for the world cup and european championship.
To put into context I don't think too many people are upset with Everton or Martinez for not making the top 4 for the same reason, given the competition around them they aren't any particular expectations to end up there but nor are they expected to be in a relegation battle but once in a while on a good season they might make top 4 or have a decent cup run. It should be a bit disappointing to Everton fans that they crumbled at the end of the season and ended up 7 points off 4th place but then would you have taken 5th at the start of the season? Likewise Arsenal had a cracking first half of the season but tailed off but if you offered them 4th and an FA Cup that's a good season, regardless that it was a bit disappointing that they didn't win the PL.
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u wot m8? They had to play Tottenham, Liverpool and Everton.
All teams I'd expect them to have a good chance of beating. Chelsea, City and even Man Utd, not so much.
Well if only Man Utd had beaten the mighty Swansea at Old Trafford in the 3rd round but I guess now we'll never know.
Rightly or wrongly as well, certain teams tend to put more effort in when they get further in the competition.
I'm not saying Arsenal didn't deserve it, just that had they met Chelsea or Man City, they'd almost certainly have lost.