Manager Merry Go Round 2014

Talk about silly season rumours... The Daily Star is reporting that Roman Abramovic is going to sack Jose Mourinho and replace him with Simeone.

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... they then go on to say that this is extremely unlikely :rolleyes:

Attention grabbing BS headlines. The kind of quality journalism we expect from the Star.
 
Duff-Man said:
Talk about silly season rumours... The Daily Star is reporting that Roman Abramovic is going to sack Jose Mourinho and replace him with Simeone.

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... they then go on to say that this is extremely unlikely :rolleyes:

Attention grabbing BS headlines. The kind of quality journalism we expect from the Star.
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Funny, it basically reads 'There are reports in France that we don't believe but will report anyways for sensationalism.'
 
Someone did some analysis of newspaper rumours a couple of years ago. Daily Star came bottom with about 35% of stories proving to be true. The Guardian was top on about 80%.
 
Being a sports reporter must be a great job, you basically have a wall of team names, a wall of players/managers, you throw faeces at each, and which ever sticks you put together. All the while singing "MAKING NEWS!"
 
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Slightly off the managerial topic, but does have some link with discussions on this page.

Yes Pochettino will struggle as will a few other teams to try and break into the top 4 next season, but if Champions League football is the goal would it not be better to try and instead win the Europa League and as an insurance aim for the top 6 as a minimum instead?

Obviously it is more desirable to just finish in the top 4. But the new rule does provide managers with two potential ways of getting into Europes elite competition and neither should be shied away from.
 
G|mp said:
Did you know Mauricio Pochettino conceded the penalty David Beckham scored against Argentina in the 2002 World Cup?
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Yes...they said it every single time Michael Owen commentated on a Saints game last season :(


For me, he's a very good manager. My question is whether Spurs have got players who are intelligent and hard-working enough to do what he wants to do with them. That Saints team had some very clever footballers who were willing to work themselves into the ground. I don't know if Spurs have that. On the other hand, he'll certainly have some pace to work with.
 
fez said:
Will Poch be given £50-100m to strengthen and offload the deadwood? I doubt it.
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Remember Spurs gained around £80m from the new Epl TV deal this season, so putting it that way there is no reason why Levy shouldnt give a good proportion of that to poch for transfers / wages

Even allowing for less injuries and certain players getting better its not that hard to see how Spurs could spend that on a small number of good quality players ( rather than a large number of average players, barimg two or three, like last summer)
 
The problem for Spurs is this:

09-10: 70pts <-- OMG best season ever
10-11: 62pts <-- meh
11-12: 69pts <-- meh
12-13: 72pts <-- meh
13-14: 69pts <-- disaster season

The margin between success and failure is so slim. Regress by even one extra loss over a season and you're going to get sacked.
 
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Remember Spurs gained around £80m from the new Epl TV deal this season, so putting it that way there is no reason why Levy shouldnt give a good proportion of that to poch for transfers / wages

Even allowing for less injuries and certain players getting better its not that hard to see how Spurs could spend that on a small number of good quality players ( rather than a large number of average players, barimg two or three, like last summer)
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I don't see any reason why that figure wouldn't be realistic - we did have a very small net spend last summer, added to the bonuses for RM winning the CL - reportedly 20m - and increased TV revenue, 50m I wouldn't have thought be too much.

Still I'd rather that was spent on 2/3 top players where we need them rather than a whole host just for the sake of it.
 
FrankJH said:
Remember Spurs gained around £80m from the new Epl TV deal this season, so putting it that way there is no reason why Levy shouldnt give a good proportion of that to poch for transfers / wages

Even allowing for less injuries and certain players getting better its not that hard to see how Spurs could spend that on a small number of good quality players ( rather than a large number of average players, barimg two or three, like last summer)
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What, they gained 80mil, yes but that isn't free money. They didn't make £0 last year and £80mil this year thus all things being equal they would have £80mil extra. It's what, £25-30mil extra.

Spurs could quite easily end up with very little extra profit this year, when you factor in future player payments. Often in this situation you could end up with +£80mil on the books from Bale, but -£20mil for the players they bought, because on the books it gets added as £20mil per year over 4 years(or a bit less and over 5 years).

I wouldn't be surprised if new players vs Bale meant 15mil more in wages, AVB seemingly about £5mil payoff, probably a few contract extensions to account for another 5mil of increased wages.

Spurs won't be selling anyone for £80mil to balance the books this year, and as such they likely can't spend anything remotely close to what they did last year.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if new players vs Bale meant 15mil more in wages, AVB seemingly about £5mil payoff, probably a few contract extensions to account for another 5mil of increased wages.

Spurs won't be selling anyone for £80mil to balance the books this year, and as such they likely can't spend anything remotely close to what they did last year.
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Remember though that bale wasn't the only who left last year, Bentley, gallas, Dempsey, Thudd, Parker and later Defoe - this season already we've let gomes go - these guys were all on hefty wages so that frees up a large amount of wages - more than enough to cover the guys from last year none of which are on astronomical wages (and certainly not on the receiving end of much in the way of performance bonuses :-P)

Apparently Spurs made quite a bit of money off Real Madrid winning the CL last week.
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Anywhere from 15-20m by all accounts :-)
 
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div0 said:
If you're referring to things like this:



Then I think the point is not that Spurs need to blindly give a manager time, but more that those in charge (Levy) need to start getting it right and picking a manager who's capable of delivering the things you describe.
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It wasn't aimed at anyone on this board, more the media.

They trot out this trite hypocritical crap about stability being the key to success and then they sharpen their knives when a manager is under threat.

It is really quite hard to appoint excellent managers. Levy hasn't made any outrageous appointments but he has already been willing to change the manager when things are stalling or about to collapse. Stability wouldn't have brought spurs anymore success and I can't think of any appointments he could have made previously that were better options than the ones he chose.


Edit- for all the arguements for stability breeding success, this season is an excellent example of when keeping a manager had been a hindrance; holloway, pullis (at stoke), moyes (at everton), pardew
 
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"Former striker Gordon Watson says forget the brolly image of Steve McClaren, the current Derby manager would be perfect for Southampton."

Uh oh, good luck Saints!!
 
Snax said:
It wasn't aimed at anyone on this board, more the media.

They trot out this trite hypocritical crap about stability being the key to success and then they sharpen their knives when a manager is under threat.

It is really quite hard to appoint excellent managers. Levy hasn't made any outrageous appointments but he has already been willing to change the manager when things are stalling or about to collapse. Stability wouldn't have brought spurs anymore success and I can't think of any appointments he could have made previously that were better options than the ones he chose.


Edit- for all the arguements for stability breeding success, this season is an excellent example of when keeping a manager had been a hindrance; holloway, pullis (at stoke), moyes (at everton), pardew
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I agree with this, you don't need to give someone time to see their failings, especially when they are clearly obvious.

Moyes at United is a prime example, such an obviously bad appointment as early as the end of September, and he should really of been fired then.
 
So, it would seem the situation at Southampton now is that the board are happy to start selling off players without a manager in place.

I can't imagine that's going to be anything other than a negative for any prospective manager - not only are they chopping up a team that has largely 'grown' together, it also makes the implication that the board will behave intrusively when it comes to transfers, which would surely worry any manager worth bothering with?

Who wants to manage a club with an interfering board with more interest in how much money they can get selling someone rather than how well they can make the club perform - that's the direction the Southampton board have made abundantly clear they are taking now.
 
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