Manhunt 2 illegal

I agree that this is an arguement of opinion. On one hand people think games influence bad things in society and on the other hand hand people think that people would do bad things whether games and/or films existed or not.

Neither opinion is proved correct and they remain just that opinion.

Dampcat are you suggesting that firegod would express his emotions in another way WITHOUT video games? I dont really understand your point, because if that is the case surely it is a good thing.

Dampcat you are just voicing your opinion as I am mine. You have no proof and neither do I.
 
MofoKilla said:
So will it not be released any where in the world or just the uk ?
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Has only been banned in the UK and Ireland so far I understand though expect it to be banned in australia for definite (they ban loads of things as apparently there is no 18 rating for games). Will be released in the US I presume.
 
squiffy said:
People with power complex will always try and ban things. And sometimes it works.
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Yup, but people who don't play games, have no right in dictating to people who do play games, what games they can and cant play. Plain wrong.
 
-Colli$ion- said:
Yup, but people who don't play games, have no right in dictating to people who do play games, what games they can and cant play. Plain wrong.
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Well they obviously have played the game as they have seen the content. Anyway you don't need to be a games player to determine the suitability of the content portrayed. Personally I just don't see the need for a game such as this (if the examples of "gameplay" being bandied around the web are true), what are they trying to achieve?
 
so if this game is banned in the uk which it is, but not in other places in europe, can we still get it from say a spannish/italian/german retailer online and it will work over here because its still PAL?
 
Rojin said:
Well they obviously have played the game as they have seen the content. Anyway you don't need to be a games player to determine the suitability of the content portrayed. Personally I just don't see the need for a game such as this (if the examples of "gameplay" being bandied around the web are true), what are they trying to achieve?
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I agree - you're all missing the point - the reason the game has been banned is because of the excessive violence and the depiction of it.

If there is anything you should be getting up in arms about it's that you're being denied the choice of whether you should be able to have it or not. A governing body has made the decision for you and they are not an elected body.

Lets be honest here - the game doesn't need to exist, it makes no real contribution to the gameing industry and it sure as hell isn't a piece of 'art'.

I for one am happy with the decision, I believe they have made a smart and informed decision and I would not like to see the game on the shelves where some underage child can get their mits on it. In a utopian world we should all have the right and ability to make these decisions for ourselves but the reality is that there are more than enough people out there who are not well enough equipped to make an informed and moral decision either for themselves or for their children, adding a game like this to the mix certainly isn't going to make it any better (it may also not make it worse, but it's not contributing to anything at all).

The 'OMG they're persecuting gamers' faction here need to sit up and get some perspective - THE FIRST GAME IN A DECADE BANNED - how are they doing a bad job, they have let you have every other game under the sun including GTA and now you start throwing your toys? GET A GRIP.
 
tomanders91 said:
so if this game is banned in the uk which it is, but not in other places in europe, can we still get it from say a spannish/italian/german retailer online and it will work over here because its still PAL?
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I don't know what Sony and Nintendo will do with the game in Europe, they have denied it a release for their systems in the states following the adults only rating. Would they still allow the same game to be released on their systems in Europe?
 
This thread is excellent, and a real testament to these forums.

Everyone is tapping away, furiously attempting to prove that which is, by definition, improvable.

Is a game the real reason for someone to be killed, and that by stopping the game, we stop the death? I honestly don't know, but it's fascinating to read some of the very valid and sound views expressed here.

Keep it up, and never stop questioning those that that claim to have the answer.
 
Rojin said:
I don't know what Sony and Nintendo will do with the game in Europe, they have denied it a release for their systems in the states following the adults only rating. Would they still allow the same game to be released on their systems in Europe?
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so its never even going to come out? i just read a preview on gamespot and it looks like a fantastic game.

EDIT: this is what it says the site posted earlier, which indicates that it will still come out in these places.


British consumers and commentators have regularly noted that Germany has a particularly censorious regime surrounding videogames, and that the United States has an astonishing tendency to outrage over even the mildest sexual content. The irony is that neither of those countries actually censor videogames, in the strict sense of the word.

The German authorities can refuse a rating, which prevents a game from being advertised but doesn't stop it from being sold. In the US, an outcry over a game may cause some large retailers, such as Wal-Mart, to withdraw it from shelves. However, in neither country can a game actually be banned.

In the UK, however, despite a generally liberal attitude to media and all forms of artistic expression, free speech does not enjoy the same legal protections which it is afforded across the Atlantic. The result is that the BBFC's refusal to certify Manhunt 2 means that it is now entirely illegal to sell the game in this country.
 
tomanders91 said:
so its never even going to come out? i just read a preview on gamespot and it looks like a fantastic game.

EDIT: this is what it says the site posted earlier, which indicates that it will still come out in these places.


British consumers and commentators have regularly noted that Germany has a particularly censorious regime surrounding videogames, and that the United States has an astonishing tendency to outrage over even the mildest sexual content. The irony is that neither of those countries actually censor videogames, in the strict sense of the word.

The German authorities can refuse a rating, which prevents a game from being advertised but doesn't stop it from being sold. In the US, an outcry over a game may cause some large retailers, such as Wal-Mart, to withdraw it from shelves. However, in neither country can a game actually be banned.

In the UK, however, despite a generally liberal attitude to media and all forms of artistic expression, free speech does not enjoy the same legal protections which it is afforded across the Atlantic. The result is that the BBFC's refusal to certify Manhunt 2 means that it is now entirely illegal to sell the game in this country.
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Yes but Sony and Nintendo do not allow adult rated games to be released for their systems. If they're not going to allow it in the states then it wouldn't make sense to allow it elsewhere, else what is the point in taking that particular stance?
 
If we ban manhunt because it *allegedly* encouraged someone to commit murder are the politicians going to alter there policy in iraq because that had an influence on the 7/7 bombers?
 
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magick said:
If we ban manhunt because it *allegedly* encouraged someone to commit murder are the politicians going to alter there policy in iraq because that had an influence on the 7/7 bombers?
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That is a superb spurious comparison. Not being sarcastic, though it must look like it, I think this is really a clever point- gets right to the heart of the issue but turns it around entirely. Good stuff.
 
Northwind said:
That is a superb spurious comparison. Not being sarcastic, though it must look like it, I think this is really a clever point- gets right to the heart of the issue but turns it around entirely. Good stuff.
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Ha thanks!
 
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