Mansell is spot on

Mansell, 61, says it is time to "let the drivers drive and race like we did" in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Someone needs to remind him how advanced his car was in 1992. I agree it's too easy that's why the age and experience required is getting less and less but he couldn't have had a bigger time and technology advantage.
 
Mansells 92 car had more assists in it than anything F1 has ever seen since.

Hell, I've got more driver aids in my 2002 Clio!

Thread needs renaming "Mansell is way off".
 
Flibster said:
Traction control, automatic gearboxes or CVT, ABS, launch control, active suspension....

Those are driver aids.
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Exactly. Too many 'aids' for the driver. DRS! Doesn't that aid a driver? Telemetry! Doesn't that aid a driver? etc etc.

Yes, have a modern car but let the drivers 'drive'. Let the technicians do the rest before the car goes out on the track and when it comes back!
 
koolpc said:
Exactly. Too many 'aids' for the driver. DRS! Doesn't that aid a driver? Telemetry! Doesn't that aid a driver? etc etc.

Yes, have a modern car but let the drivers 'drive'. Let the technicians do the rest before the car goes out on the track and when it comes back!
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I think you missed his point. All the things in his post arent in F1 cars.
 
Jokester said:
Remove fuel restrictions and make the tyres more robust so drivers can properly rag the cars to the limit seems to be what they're both calling for.
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Fuel saving I can understand as it comes at a higher cost and then tyres were slated for being too robust a couple of seasons ago weren't they?
 
Jokester said:
Remove fuel restrictions and make the tyres more robust so drivers can properly rag the cars to the limit seems to be what they're both calling for.
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Which won't happen. No team will ever put more fuel in than they can get away with or make more pit stops than they need too.
 
Jokester said:
So you're all happy with the current situation of drivers primarily managing fuel consumption and tyre condition rather than pushing themselves to the limits of the cars performance?
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No-one has said that, but realistically that's never been anything but the case in Formula 1. The biggest change has been how physical the cars are to drive, but very rarely have they been anything like flat out.
 
Telemetry and radio communication with the driver is the problem. The teams know too much, and are full of very clever people. The computer tells them what is the absolute fastest way, and there's a very fine line.

They know that short-fuelling the car by 10kg of fuel at the start saves them 1/10th of a second on every single lap of the race, let's say. That's 6 seconds over a 60 lap race, and if there's a safety car, they get that for free! If there's not a safety car, so long as any fuel saving map changes or lift-and-coast efforts don't add up to more than 6 seconds over the race, they're still up.

If you take away the radio completely and the driver just has to drive the car going by the displays, you'll get more of the unknown back. Some teams might fill the car up and let the driver at it for the whole race, other more "thinking drivers" might try and manage their own fuel saving...

Unfortunately, the teams can't unlearn 65 years of experience and technical know-how, they're just so good these days that all the teams can run close to the optimum race every single time. Which is the problem. We've got to make them stupid again somehow.
 
You cannot remove the radio. The cars are to complex for a driver to manage entirely on their own. Most of the information the teams have the driver doesn't.

That's why they back tracked on the extent of the radio ban. The drivers cannot be expected to know what each of the tens of combinations of dials and switches do, and then also diagnose the car and translate that into a solution.

Imagine if no driver was ever told about overheating brakes and impending failure, and they 'diagnose' it themselves 3 weeks later when they wake from a coma having hit the barrier at Le Combe at 200mph...
 
Yeah, DRS is pretty lame, designed to make it more interesting, but cruising past the guy in front when you know there's nothing he can do about it makes it a faux overtake tbh.
 
You can't simply 'remove DRS'. You have to replace it with a better solution to the problem it solves, I.e. the problem of following a car.

Just dropping DRS and doing nothing else will just turn all F1 races back into processions.

I wish people would start coming up with solutions rather than just moaning about whats broken. Perhaps there should be some sort of Strategy Group whos aim is to come up with suggestions of making the sport better...

...oh. :(
 
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