Mantle: Teething Problems (Anandtech R9 285 review showing the downsides of low level APIs)

[GoogalyMoogaly]

When its supported i will use it when its not i will use DX,OpenGL, its as simple as that.

Even if it performs worse than DX?

 

[Final8y]

Even if it performs worse than DX?

Well no, but most of the time it does not, and its not surprising that the only game im having issues with it is a game that has masses of issues period, there is no reason why they should get that right when they cant get most other things right in that game.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Well no, but most of the time it does not, and its not surprising that the only game im having issues with it is a game that has masses of issues period, there is no reason why they should get that right when they cant get most other things right in that game.

BF4 and Thief 4 AKA The ONLY games that actually have Mantle support AKA All Mantle titles.

 

[tommybhoy]

BF4 and Thief 4 AKA The ONLY games that actually have Mantle support AKA All Mantle titles.

PvZGW has Mantle support, Hardline also had/has Mantle support.

 

[Sin_Chase]

PvZ.....okkkaaaay.

Hardline - Not even out yet.

 

[tommybhoy]

No point shouting from the rooftops when you can't get the simple things in life correct, dismiss away if you think it makes you less wrong.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Why can't we have one thread for everything Mantle related??

 

[Sin_Chase]

No point shouting from the rooftops when you can't get the simple things in life correct, dismiss away if you think it makes you less wrong.

What are you on about!?

Stop being so precious about Mantle, it's not your child.

 

[tommybhoy]

What are you on about!?

Obtuse hat time.

Stop being so precious about Mantle, it's not your child.

Can't get much more negative in my op without sounding like one of the NDF lads.

 

[BloodyL]

I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if I'm retreading ground but the OPs point about the game devs having to patch in GPU support for older cards is a bit worrying.

Someone somewhere has missed the point, the mantle toolset should have past and present GPU support built in and game devs should only need to patch in and recompile for new GPU instructions when they arrive.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I was having a bit of a think about this and it would make sense that if Mantle is what developers were asking for then they wanted to have to update games when new hardware was released.
Maybe it's because they like Mantle so much that they actually want to have the chance to do this.

But I think it's safe to say that if Mantle is what developers wanted and developers were involved i nthe creation of Mantle then all of this was planned in at the start with the backing of the developers. So surely we don't have to worry?

 

[_Alatar_]

Co-developed with DICE.

And conveniently AMD paid DICE/EA $8 million.

 

[Orangey]

Now GTA pushed back to 2015 D:

http://techreport.com/news/27046/grand-theft-auto-v-pc-release-pushed-to-2015

This could've been a big push for Mantle, loads of people trying to play it on laptops, being pleasantly surprised with the performance.

 

[Calin Banc]

Co-developed with DICE.

And conveniently AMD paid DICE/EA $8 million.

That was for the copies of BF 4 distributed with the cards.

 

[SkeeterUK]

Thats the thing with mantle, they have to be coded per card really where as dx works with most cards. Hopefully dx12 will be able to do both as thats what dx does usually and promises low level access which is what mantle does.

 

[pgi947]

Thats the thing with mantle, they have to be coded per card really where as dx works with most cards. Hopefully dx12 will be able to do both as thats what dx does usually and promises low level access which is what mantle does.

I would expect dx12 performance to still be solely driver reliant.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Co-developed with DICE.

And conveniently AMD paid DICE/EA $8 million.

And conveniently Nvidia paid Crytek $2 million for Crysis2:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/nvidias-2-million-crysis/

IIRC,it was not even given away with Nvidia cards either(could be wrong here). Each company has been paying millions each year to devs,so they can stick their shiny logos on games,add their brand specific features,saying "hey! XYZ hardware is best for this game!". Ever seen how much films had Dolby or THX logos on them??

Honestly are you just trying to turn this into some conspiracy thread? I cannot run Mantle either(gone NV this gen),but since you have a Titan yourself and cannot run it you seem very worried/negative about it. If anything this seems like an AMDMatt Mantle thread but in reverse and TBH we could do with sticking the weekly Mantle threads into one giant one anyway,otherwise we will end up with another one if a magical Mantle driver is released which actually works properly,saying its the bestest thing since sliced bread,then another one when invariably it gets broken for another one,say its the worst thing since cold Haggis.

TBH,I also don't see the big deal you are making about it - if Mantle runs crap for someone having an AMD card,they can switch to DX11 and if it dies then it dies. Meh.

It gave MS a kick up the arse so they could push out DX12 quicker which for me is more than good enough,especially when Intel is making demos like this:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2014/08/14/intel-dx12-demo/1

Invariably you will disagree and say how 200% wrong I am but I will leave you and the others to start going round in circles as with all these threads.

 

[shankly1985]

Now GTA pushed back to 2015 D:

http://techreport.com/news/27046/grand-theft-auto-v-pc-release-pushed-to-2015

This could've been a big push for Mantle, loads of people trying to play it on laptops, being pleasantly surprised with the performance.

When you say 2015 making it sound worst. It's only one month after consoles.

 

[Silent_Scone]

And conveniently Nvidia paid Crytek $2 million for Crysis2 and it need uber tessellation performance:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/nvidias-2-million-crysis/

IIRC,it was not even given away with Nvidia cards either(could be wrong here).

Honestly are you just trying to turn this into some conspiracy thread? I cannot run Mantle either(gone NV this gen),but since you have a Titan yourself and cannot run it you seem very worried about it. If anything this seems like an AMDMatt Mantle thread but in reverse and TBH we could do with sticking the weekly Mantle threads into one giant one anyway,otherwise we will end with another one if a magical Mantle driver is released which actually works properly,saying its the bestest thing since sliced bread,then another one when invariably it gets broken for another one,say its the worst thing since cold Haggis.

TBH,I also don't see the big deal you are making about it - if Mantle runs crap for someone having an AMD card,they can switch to DX11 and if dies then it dies. Meh. If it does great for them,then good for them. More meh.

It gave MS a kick up the arse so they could push out DX12 quicker which for me is more than good enough,especially when Intel was making demos like this:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2014/08/14/intel-dx12-demo/1

Invariably you will disagree but I will leave you and the others to start going round in circles as with all these threads.

Some of the people behind the Crysis deal now work for AMD. Just note worthy.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Some of the people behind the Crysis deal now work for AMD. Just note worthy.

I am sure some of the people who worked for AMD also work for Nvidia too and vice versa. Look at the CVs of most of the people in the industry - there are only a few big players and many of them have worked at most of them. However,since this thread is now going into the Twilight Zone,I think I will exit it quickly.

Also as a parting shot,I think people should just ditch AMD and Nvidia TBH just in case the Lizard People get into power. Go VIA - they are universally meh and don't have the funds to affect anyone(since their parent company CBA to give them more money even though they are loaded).