Manual gearboxes make me mad
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What none of the above have experienced is DSG, when you do you will realise what real driving is
Yes, I would love to have a semi-auto for my next car, the convenience of an auto during boring traffic jams, with the fun of a manual at all other times.
However I can't find a car I like that has this setup.
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[TW]Fox;14114465 said:
Mine is actually a milkfloat and has VTEC
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i believe the offical point of awsomeness is now 300bhp, 200bhp doesent even impress pensioners anymore
I was having this discussion with my uncle some months ago - we actually settled on 500-600BHP as being the official point of awesomeness. Plenty around with less than that
...but then, that's us
We all laugh about how VTEC engines have "no torque", but the reality is they have the same if not more amount of torque than a "normal" 1.6/1.8/2.0 litre engine, they're certainly no less "driveable" around town than a "normal" engine, they just rev higher and are tuned higher and thus produce more power
We all laugh about how VTEC engines have "no torque", but the reality is they have the same if not more amount of torque than a "normal" 1.6/1.8/2.0 litre engine, they're certainly no less "driveable" around town than a "normal" engine, they just rev higher and are tuned higher and thus produce more power
a normal 1.6/1.8/2.0 has no torque. A nice big lazy engine is great for pootling around in; a whizzy little 4pot aint.
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You dont need rotation for torque to exist... 
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i believe the offical point of awsomeness is now 300bhp, 200bhp doesent even impress pensioners anymore
Thats probably something to do with the sheer weight of new cars. Put 300bhp in a new car and it just about breaks 0-60 in 6 seconds, and is quick enought to impress. Put 300bhp in an old hot hatch say and it would be absolutley mental. Its all about power to weight imo.
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Yea, they suck as well.
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A big lazy engine is great for pootling around in and a whizzy little 4 pot isn't? So is that why we see big V8 city cars designed for pootling ?
A big lazy engine is great for pootling around in and a whizzy little 4 pot isn't? So is that why we see big V8 city cars designed for pootling ?
I'm not really sure that has any relevence whatsoever. It's pretty obvious that big lazy engines are more suited for wafting about than small capacity 4 cylinder engines. A small town car has a 4 pot not because it is better suited to wafting than an 8 pot but because small town cars are economy cars and 4 cylinder engines are cheaper to make, cheaper to run and more simple.
[TW]Fox;14115995 said:
Totally. 4 Cyl engines that have 100bhp per litre, 9000rpm redline and bulletproof reliability are cheap to make and are simple.
But we're used to this aren't we? It's just the usual inflammatory, attention seeking drivel you usually come out with when no one has paid attention to you for a while.
Theres nothing wrong with 4 cyl engines for whatever purpose. They are used in shopping cars, go - karts and touring cars.
Just as there is nothing wrong with 6 cyl or 8 cyl, turbo, N/A or whatever. Its a different ethos to engine design and power delivery. There is no right or wrong. Something you seem to have particular difficulty grasping.
A big lazy engine is great for pootling around in and a whizzy little 4 pot isn't? So is that why we see big V8 city cars designed for pootling ?
Read this Gajin.
Now put the VTEC Defence Force Tshirt away and notice my comment was addressing Scoobys post about 4 cylinder engines in GENERAL.
I was having this discussion with my uncle some months ago - we actually settled on 500-600BHP as being the official point of awesomeness. Plenty around with less than that
...but then, that's us
Yeah, most of the Chavs have access to Imprezas and get them up to 400bhp without doing over the offie these days. If I had 400+bhp at my disposal I'd be in prison before I got to work
I don't care that I only have 200bhp and have make it rev a bit longer than everyone else. It's made out to be the end of the world if you don't when quite frankly, even before VTEC it's a **** load better than my previous cars and still handles really well to boot. It suits my needs and keeps Sheriff John Brunel from sending me straight to jail, couldn't be happier.
For us people who know how to drive and enjoy a freer revving engine, just enjoy it. Don't let the exec toy like daddies owners rub you the wrong way because thats not their thing and they have to make us feel inferior at every turn. Now, where did I put that bowl of rice...