Martyn Ware tells Rockstar Games to do one!
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Frankly you're making a bad argument above your (apparent) age from a bygone generation still stuck in an era when they were adults before widespread access to the Internet.
The 'raw' data isn't likely in the public domain, or at least not something that could be collated without a bit of dedicated research.
But there's a clear inference to be made that increased search activity correlates with increased revenue for media in an enviroment where streaming services pay per view/ play of a piece of work.
Caporegime
It is not my argument. He brought it up out of his bum. If you and he have no proof or can't provide anything then he is doing nothing more than guessing. And using that guess to guess a different game will do the same.
So much guessing.
And I didn't even force him to make that claim to begin with, he just came out with it on his own accord!
And if you are sure and can guarantee the increase revenue then Rockstar should do a deal with Spotify, Apple and whatnot to strike a deal to make a cut with all the artist to guarantee them that slice of profit.
I mean if you are so sure about the increase. Then everybody wins.
What the artist is doing is protecting their backside (obviously you know this), the last thing they want is undervalue and undersell their work, watching a massive cooperation taking advantage of them, underpay them with a 4 figure payoff and when they are on a10 digit profit margin.
What you are claiming is "here is a bone, take it, hand over the keys to your house, someone else is going to come and give you another bone later." With no guarantee except "look, it happened before, I can't proof it though, but trust me bro."
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Most people are able to make inferences from information.
E.g:
Streaming services (for example YouTube) pay per view. -FACT
Increased search for a song/ video etc can lead more views -FACT
Source: Google Gemini
GTA Vice city lead to an increase in search activity for the song featured - FACT (see previous post).
Therefore the inference is that GTA Vice city led to an increase of revenue for the songs it features outside of the fee R* paid for the use of the songs.
This isn't a 'guess' or something produced from someone's 'bum'.
It's a standard so high in fact that inferences are considered legitimate in use in criminal trials in the UK.
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Caporegime
Stop moving the goal posts, if I am selling my work, I don't want "inference", inference won't pay bills. Give me numbers. Don't explain what the word means, I know what the word means.
I am not asking for a dictionary, tell me how much they earn.
Oh I forgot, you can't.
I got back to, your entire argument from the start is "trust me bro".
I am not asking for a dictionary, tell me how much they earn.
Oh I forgot, you can't.
I got back to, your entire argument from the start is "trust me bro".
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Raynind Lin: "Please provide what is largely confidential buisness information because I'm unwilling or unable to make relatively simple and obvious inferences"
You must be very fun to deal with IRL
Caporegime
Then if you didn't know these confidential information then don't make the claim to begin with. You are either a liar or a fool.
And I repeat, he came out with that came on his own accord. And don't change the subject to be about how fun I am in real life. If we are talking about business then you need to back up your claim especially when someone make a claim about numbers. That is just good business practice.
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Soldato
That’s not what he’s doing. You’ve jumped in to answer a question that wasn’t asked of you. You can’t answer it so are now twisting and turning and trying to have a sly dig at Raymond. Answer the question that was posed, if you can’t then say so and stop trying to act the clever boy.
Soldato
Both. Clear as day it’s both. Jumped in on a convo thinking he was going to be the smart arse, that fell apart so now is shifting the goal posts and trying to throw in weak insults.
I don't get the fuss really it's HIS song, he can decide what it's worth even if he's totally unreasonable financially.
It's not even a new fight, Led Zeppelin are famous for not allowing their music to be used in other media, and there are musicians that don't feel comfortable on an artistic level, can you name more than one Rembrandt's song ? Sure they made lots of money, but it killed the band, siltskin sure had a long and successful career.
The 'exposure' argument is pretty scummy too, like a 19-year-old Instagrammer asking for a free meal at a fancy restaurant, at least it's not EA levels where record labels have to pay them to be on FIFA I suppose.
It's not even a new fight, Led Zeppelin are famous for not allowing their music to be used in other media, and there are musicians that don't feel comfortable on an artistic level, can you name more than one Rembrandt's song ? Sure they made lots of money, but it killed the band, siltskin sure had a long and successful career.
The 'exposure' argument is pretty scummy too, like a 19-year-old Instagrammer asking for a free meal at a fancy restaurant, at least it's not EA levels where record labels have to pay them to be on FIFA I suppose.
And here's you sticking your oar in and adding nothing of value... you going to pretend you don't understand 'inferences' aswell?
There's a few other usages on your posting history aswell....
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Caporegime
Ware didn't ask for inference as payment. Ware ask for money up front, not for more potential earnings that might never come.
Ware isn't some 16 year old kid who is looking for a record label and has to sign away 99% of the earnings to get a record deal. He is past that, he has the song, he has leverage. The man would prefer his payment up front, not spread over the next 10 years. The dude will be practically 70 when GTA6 comes out, you can understand why he doesn't want or need "inference". If he is going to sell his song and sign over the rights for a life time to Rockstar, he wants the money for that lifetime, up front.
He is in a position to bargain.
Ware isn't some 16 year old kid who is looking for a record label and has to sign away 99% of the earnings to get a record deal. He is past that, he has the song, he has leverage. The man would prefer his payment up front, not spread over the next 10 years. The dude will be practically 70 when GTA6 comes out, you can understand why he doesn't want or need "inference". If he is going to sell his song and sign over the rights for a life time to Rockstar, he wants the money for that lifetime, up front.
He is in a position to bargain.
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Soldato
Keep grasping. What a shockingly horrid poster. Answer the question you failed to answer or go away you troll.
Edit: so we’re clear, I understand the inference completely. But no one is talking about inferences. Claims were made, you jumped in talking crap and trying to come across clever. So, again, answer the question clever boy.
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Soldato
You haven’t got a clue I’m afraid.
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Up to him. If it were me, whether I had millions or not, I'd say yes because my song would be in what will almost certainly be the biggest and most successful game (and possibly any media product?) in history. I'd get a personal kick out of it plus it introduces music to a new audience. I think going public to moan was a bit childish but again up to him.
What if the game gets panned as the biggest woke POS, or the biggest bigoted POS, with your song as the soundtrack of the controversy, and you've signed it away for life ?
Or you do get a 'new audience' who start turning up to your gigs and hang around bored until you play that one song and then leave, ruining your live income and turning away your loyal following that might come and see you for the next 20 years.
It's not always that easy and it's not always about the upfront cheque.
The game will be very successful, I'd accept.
Looks like scumbags at EA don't even pay :S
Soldato
Yet Ware whinged about none of those things, only about the direct earnings.
So you've sat down and had a chat with him then, oh no, just read some tweets, the platform famous for nuance and the ability to convey complex issues.