There’s literally 0% chance that GTA 6 will flop.
Martyn Ware tells Rockstar Games to do one!
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Man of Honour
I think that's a very poor offer for such an iconic song, from a massive publisher on a multi billion pound franchise. He does come across as a little money-eyes in his reply, but it's fair.
Lol, whut?
What an astonishly daft thing to say.
Vice city soundtrack anyone?
Caporegime
There is a MASSIVE contradiction there from people who think they don't need to pay him for what he is asking.
On one hand you are saying "they don't need to pay him that much because the game will get massive exposure for 10 years" and he will get streaming money from this potential exposure that is not guranteed.
For that to happen you are literally saying the game will succeed.
Now it is a MASSIVE Risk? the game could easily flop?
If there is such massive risk then there is no exposure and he really ought to have that money up front then.
Come on, pick a fricking side people lol
On one hand you are saying "they don't need to pay him that much because the game will get massive exposure for 10 years" and he will get streaming money from this potential exposure that is not guranteed.
For that to happen you are literally saying the game will succeed.
Now it is a MASSIVE Risk? the game could easily flop?
If there is such massive risk then there is no exposure and he really ought to have that money up front then.
Come on, pick a fricking side people lol
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What other sources? The only thing comparable is GTA V.
He could also be greedy. We just don't know.
What a waste of human resources. The last thing we need are more servers guzzling up power and the associated power from sending that information across the globe, because a bunch of artist want more money.
Considering that we are in era were games, videos, movies and images are being lost forever, this is such a short term idea. Rockstar decides to shutdown the server and then you just have to play GTA 6 in silence because they have no licensed songs?
That's a fair point but they got burnt by their records labels that offered them get rich quick contracts. They were then blinded by the dollar signs that they didn't read the fine print.
The thing with songs is that unlike other creative endeavours it is one of the few things people will want to interact with again on a regular basis. No matter how good your photo is nobody is going to want to look at it multiple times a day for a few days in a row. But people will listen to the same song on repeat for 6 hour straight.
People who like his song won't be firing up GTA VI just to listen to it, they will go find it elsewhere. I would point to rocket league. The songs (i believe in this case were licensed exclusive for RL) have millions of views on youtube.
Then again, 1 out of 400. Most players will probably never even hear his song.
Caporegime
Yes, I am aware of this human behaviour.
Me on the other hand....I turn off the in game radio, it is the first thing I do when I get into a car. The first thing.
All the 3D artist that worked to create this game are far more deserving of royalties than a muscian whose song is 1 out of 400.
That means the song is worth even less
Caporegime
All the 3D artist that worked to create this game are far more deserving of royalties than a muscian whose song is 1 out of 400.
That means the song is worth even less
Worth less to me has ZERO bearings to what Ware thinks it's worth. I have ZERO right to tell him how much he should charge, neither do you or any of us, or Rockstar.
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No that's just wrong. We live in a capitalistic market, where everyone dictates how much they think something is worth, to them.
Edit: Your post is one of the reasons why Rockstar doesn't place a high value on Ware's music. Which was the point I was trying to make with the "worth even less" comment
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Soldato
Indeed, the new revenue model is so good, so successful and so meritocratic that critically acclaimed artists can’t even afford to tour and have to live with their parents! Yay for capitalism.
Commissario
I can't remember which group it was but there is one where famously no one in the core band actually made any money out of playing a tour (not sure on the merch side of things), the only band member that did was a replacement drummer who was being paid a a flat fee regardless.
But these days as you say, a lot of artists are absolutely screwed by the rates the billion dollar companies pay for using their music, to the point where they are either barely making enough money to keep going, or are making the vast majority of their money from official merchandise and what they might get from the tickets at gigs after the near (vertical) monopoly companies that own the venues, run the booking services and own and operate all the facilities have taken their cut from both the band and the customer.
And if anything apparently it's even worse when dealing with the games companies as they at best love to pay flat rates with no residuals even for the likes of the actors who might provide the main voices for their games over multiple games in a series.
Music adds little value. Proceeds to list ways it adds value.
Nonsence for the artists actually in demand touring is where most of the money is made.
If 'critically acclaimed' artists can't make money on tour then the 'critics' are clearly out of tune with the public.
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Soldato
Martyn Ware will probably regret telling Rockstar to 'go do one', I'm pretty sure every 80's pop and rock star who featured in GTA Vice City saw a massive resurgence of interest in thier back catalogue once that game has been released.
Caporegime
What made you so sure?
Do you have and data to back up your claim in your second sentence? What was the average difference before and after the release of the game?
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Obviously not quite an apples to apples comparison because the song in question (Tom Petty's tune Love Is A Long Road). was featured in an advert but it demonstrates the principle that exposure from something as popular as GTA6 can lead to increased revenues elsewhere.
GTA 6: Streams soar for 70s rocker Tom Petty thanks to trailer
Tom Petty's B-side track Love Is A Long Road has seen a near 37,000% increase in streams on Spotify.
www.bbc.com
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Caporegime
Obviously not quite an apples to apples comparison because the song in question (Tom Petty's tune Love Is A Long Road). was featured in an advert but it demonstrates the principle that exposure from something as popular as GTA6 can lead to increased revenues elsewhere.
GTA 6: Streams soar for 70s rocker Tom Petty thanks to trailer
Tom Petty's B-side track Love Is A Long Road has seen a near 37,000% increase in streams on Spotify.www.bbc.com
Well, one can cite Kate Bush from Stranger Things as an example too....but I am asking specifically for a game, and not ANY game, but Rockstar GTA Vice CIty. Why? Because that is the example he used specifically.
And EVERY SONG btw, not 1 song, EVERY SONG.
Make a claim, back it up.
He did say he is "pretty sure".
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Why is GTA Vice City’s soundtrack so iconic?
One of the most common praises for GTA Vice City is its outstanding music and soundtrack.
www.sportskeeda.com
Caporegime
Why is GTA Vice City’s soundtrack so iconic?
One of the most common praises for GTA Vice City is its outstanding music and soundtrack.
I am not asking for SEO results, or "why is the sound track is so iconic" I am asking for what he is claiming.
He claimed "every 80's pop and rock star who featured in GTA Vice City saw a massive resurgence of interest in thier back catalogue"
What is this resurgence of interest? If it isn't revenue then the argument is totally bogus. If it is revenue then prove it. Monetary figures for every 80's pop track featured. I need numbers, actual numbers.
What, that is absurd you ask.
I didn't make the claim.
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