Mass Effect Requires Online Validation Every Ten Days to Function

[v0n]

EULA is a legally binding document as long as it doesn't come into direct on indirect conflict with existing legislation for country or region. At that point it just becomes unenforcable clause in what is considered unfair contract. For example, EULA could potentially state you will owe developer lifetime of slavery and your firstborn, but it doesn't make it legally binding, as such term or condition would be in conflict with current law.
Why is it important?
Because, no matter how many times they repeat "you are not allowed to circumvent, modify or remove security from the software you purchased" in EULA it is in direct conflict with current US and European law - under the principle known in the US as 'First Sale', and in UK as part of Sale of Goods Act anyone buying a game or any other software takes absolute title to it. From the moment you pay for it, you own it and no EULA, as contract not included in process of sale, but after sale, can change it. EULA might say you are not allowed to resell it, crack it, patch it, give it to someone. Doesn't matter. You bought it, you obtained license to use it, you own it. It's yours. You can do what you want with it, and if cracking it to remove EULA all together is the fist thing you do, you are, technically, allowed to do so.

 

[uv]

Dear Lord.

How hard is it to download a demo, or failing that, read/watch/listen to a review/preview.

By gods, we have the interweb! There's so much information about each game out there, that I could decide whether or not I'd like it without even playing any of said game, never mind a demo.

I cba flogging this horse anymore, enjoy your derailed thread. I really hope that when you grow up, you become more honest and pay up.. or at least understand why you *should*.

oh, and

You're way;

shouldn't have an apostrophe.

 

[Chronictank]

How hard is it to download a demo, or failing that, read/watch/listen to a review/preview.
.

Ironically, harder than trying the real thing in terms of getting an accurate picture of the game

!='
Yeah i noticed it afterwards but couldn't be bothered to fix it

 

[z0mbi3]

shouldn't have an apostrophe.

How hard is it to download a demo, or failing that, read/watch/listen to a review/preview.

If you're going to be pedantic then "or failing that" shouldn't be sandwiched between commas either.

 

[Black Dragon]

Sorry, but if people are happily giving away games for free over the internet then i'll happily download and play them. That's one of the best things about the internet, free stuff. People like one of the previous posters can call me scum all they like, but i don't really care tbh.

Oh and for all the people in the other thread that say they "try before they buy"... yes the majority of them will be lying.

 

[Darkwave]

Nobody downloads games to 'try before you buy'.

You know for a fact I do Sly, and I even end up buying some games I didn't like.

 

[mr.sly]

you don't read much news in the pc gaming world do you?

Not sure what that is suppose to mean.

You know for a fact I do Sly, and I even end up buying some games I didn't like.

Okay, maybe *some* people download games to try before they buy. But the vast majority don't, and it still doesn't make it right.

And you don't justify not paying for a game because you've just broken the EULA by putting a NOCD crack on there.

 

[Tefal]

Not sure what that is suppose to mean.

An editor of a major review site was fired for giving a bad review to a game that was sponsoring them. For any major game from a big publisher almost all review sites will trumpet how the sun shines from it's orifices, or else they don't get previews etc.

Okay, maybe *some* people download games to try before they buy. But the vast majority don't, and it still doesn't make it right.

Care to back that up?

 

[FrenchTart]

...nothing to see here...

 

[Darkwave]

Okay, maybe *some* people download games to try before they buy. But the vast majority don't, and it still doesn't make it right.

And you don't justify not paying for a game because you've just broken the EULA by putting a NOCD crack on there.

Aye piracy is wrong no matter how you try to justify it, even if you believe you're not being immoral. I still know I'm doing a bad thing when I try before I buy, or when I crack a game I legally own, it's just that in some cases the developers/publishers don't really give me a choice and in the end I don't care if it's wrong.

But yeah, people who believe they're doing nothing wrong are lying to themselves.

Care to back that up?

He's probably going by a sample of all the people he knows (including me). Even official statistics are generally a sample of only a few hundred people or something, yet people have no problem with believing those.

 

[Tefal]

You do realise that was an ironic statement made by uvmain, don't you?

shush you, this is entertaining.

 

[FrenchTart]

...or when I crack a game I legally own...

I agree with the rest of your post but whilst cracking a game you legally own might be wrong according to the EULA it's far from wrong from a moral standpoint. I happily make images/use no-cd cracks for all my games - the original DVDs then get put in the cupboard and stay there. I don't feel even remotely guilty for using something I purchased in a way that's convenient for me.

 

[FrenchTart]

shush you, this is entertaining.

Lol

/edits it back out

 

[Darkwave]

I agree with the rest of your post but whilst cracking a game you legally own might be wrong according to the EULA it's far from wrong from a moral standpoint. I happily make images/use no-cd cracks for all my games - the original DVDs then get put in the cupboard and stay there. I don't feel even remotely guilty for using something I purchased in a way that's convenient for me.

Using a no-CD crack to bypass copy protection is illegal whether you think it's moral or not. Instead of kidding yourself you might as well just admit it's wrong like me and realise you just don't care if it's right or wrong, you're going to do it anyway because you want to.

 

[mr.sly]

An editor of a major review site was fired for giving a bad review to a game that was sponsoring them. For any major game from a big publisher almost all review sites will trumpet how the sun shines from it's orifices, or else they don't get previews etc.




Care to back that up?

There's more than one gaming site out there. Try reading a site or magazine that has some respect for games and the culture of gaming.

Have a look at how many seeders/leechers are on a torrent for a game, check out many times its been downloaded on Usenet. If all those people where trying before they buy, some of these games would be selling millions more.

You do realise that was an ironic statement made by uvmain, don't you?

Jihad has also said the same thing and Tefal has openly stated he'll now pirate a game because he might want to play it on holiday where he'll be away from an internet connection for 10 days.

 

[FrenchTart]

Using a no-CD crack to bypass copy protection is illegal whether you think it's moral or not.

I'm not arguing the illegality of it but the morality. Not all things that are illegal are morally wrong. I don't want to derail this most derailed of threads further, but there are loads of examples that anyone but the most obtuse could think of.

 

[Darkwave]

I'm not arguing the illegality of it but the morality. Not all things that are illegal are morally wrong. I don't want to derail this most derailed of threads further, but there are loads of examples that anyone but the most obtuse could think of.

Morals are subjective, which is the flaw in the "moral" argument I'm sick of seeing now.

I leave my personal morals out of it. It's either illegal or it's not, and I either do it anyway or I don't.

 

[eekfek]

No matter how many times you say it, it's still not stealing.

But that may count as liable



again not stealing so, go fish.


But if you think this protection is a good idea what are you going to do when their servers (and they will) break, or have down time?

Or when they can't be arsed paying for them any more, are you going to crack the game and then forfeit your license? (remember you don't buy software you buy a license to use them, you break that license you legally don't own the game, so canny play it from a vertically gifted equine)



you don't read much news in the pc gaming world do you?

it is stealing however you want to cover it up

as for the 'servers go down problem' i'll go play footy or read a book or even take the lady out , its not a big deal or certainly not worth all the needless whinging thats going on .. afterall RL > *

playing games is just a hobby and thats how i look at it, ive pre-ordered this game and like many others i own ill play it at my pace , no rush ..

 

[FrenchTart]

Morals are subjective, which is the flaw in the "moral" argument I'm sick of seeing now.#

I leave my personal morals out of it. It's either illegal or it's not, and I either do it anyway or I don't.

Well, the laws are subjective too - they're decided by society rather than yourself. Morals are your own personal 'right or wrong'. They're two different things imo.

As I said, I'll happily admit it's legally wrong. But so was recording television back in the VHS days...rather pointlessly slow (note, I'm talking about cracking games you own here, not downloading ones that you don't).

 

[Darkwave]

Well, the laws are subjective too - they're decided by society rather than yourself. Morals are your own personal 'right or wrong'. They're two different things imo.

Let's not turn a copy protection discussion into a democracy discussion.

The fact is that morals are 100% subjective.

As I said, I'll happily admit it's legally wrong. But so was recording television back in the VHS days...rather pointlessly slow (note, I'm talking about cracking games you own here, not downloading ones that you don't).

One could argue piracy is not morally wrong because it's a "victimless crime" and these companies make countless millions/billions anyway, in fact many people do. This is not my view, but do you see the flaw in using morals as an argument?

Some homework: 1.) Appeal to belief fallacies. 2.) Relativist fallacies.