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smithy1988

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Which case is the better case out of the Silverstone Sugo Sg01 and the Lian Li V350B.
My first question is can both of these fit in 8800gt or gts's?
Second question-Which one is better in terms of space and cooling i am only interested in 1 optical drive and 1 HDD.
Cheers
 
The Lian-li will be of higher quality, and much easier to install parts into.

But the Sugo is a bit smaller.

They use very similar layouts, with the PSU where it is, it restricts you to flower type coolers almost.

A modular PSU will be essential, my Sugo was a mess of wires.
 
Thankyou that helps me out a lot. Yea i have seen on the forum that the cpu coolers are a problem. Possibly going to be doing a new build soon so yea i understand that a modular psu is an advantage for the small form. In terms of stock cooling with the Lian Li being slightly bigger does this mean it is also a little bit better with the cooling side of things?
Cheers again

Also another quick question in terms of micro atx boards am2 socket- which ones are the best out at the moment. If possible i would like it to be compataible with the am2+ socket, have 2 x sata connectors for optical and hdd and for it to be compatiable with the 1066mhz ram. I have looked at the following boards listed below- i think i am right in saying that the Abit board will not support the faster ram or the Am2+ socket. So if that is the case, which is the better board between the Gigabyte and Asus, are there any other boards that would meet my requirements?

Asus M3A78-EMH HDMI AMD 780G Micro-ATX (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H AMD 780G Micro-ATX (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
Abit AN-M2HD nForce 520 Micro ATX (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

Thanks again any help is appreciated
 
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What CPU?

A lot of AM2/AM2+ boards have been combusting with high TDP chips. Especially u-ATX.

I would go with the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H, I couldn't find any forum post with one going up.

It's the PWM mosfets which cause the problem. If you want to be on the safe side there are some 35W TDP X2 chips out there, designed for SFF.
 
Cpu wise probably a 6400 x2, the reason i want it to be comptable with am2+ is so i can upgrade at some point in the future.
Is it possible to explain that post in a little more beginner language- i understand pc's but that went straight over my head haha- im guessing some sort of conflict with the cpu chips and the chips onboard the mobos?
 
My vote would go to the V350B. It's a lot more flexible in terms of cooling, with 120mm fan mounts, option to mount a 120.2 rad and I believe it just about fits a Scythe Ninja mini too.
 
Thanks mul- i havnt 100% decided on my cpu at this point- is it worth getting an aftermarket cooler compared to a stock one- how much difference do they make in terms of cooling as i know this is an issue with a gaming small form rig. Also whats the reviews and opinions on the amd phenoms?
 
Put it this way, the flagship Phenom is equal to the entry level Core 2 Quad.

And Intel have Nhelam on the threshold of release, set to up the anti even further.

If the best you can afford is a phenom, then it's a toss up between that and the Q6600, the choice should go on who you trust to keep your platform upgradable for the longest.

If you can afford more than a Q6600, Intel Intel Intel!!!
 
To be really honest, you should consider what's best for your money right now as a priority. Both platforms will have a finite lifespan and when the Q6600 is available for just £117, and the Phenom 9850 at around £140, I think the answer's quite clear.
 
i understand that intel are ahead- However there new processors are going to be using a new socket which would mean changing the mobo in order to upgrade. If i bought phenom at least the mobo i choose would be compatable with the next am2+ socket cpu to come out from them. So yes the amd is more expensive and in terms of performance perhaps lagging slightly. However with amd's next offering at least i could just upgrade the cpu without having to change the mobo aswell?
 
Thing is, how do you know the AMD chips will all use the same socket in the future?

The reason that Intel are changing the socket is that Nehalem does a lot of the NB's work on-die, and that means an altered pin arrangement to allow it to communicate with the rest of the board.

At the very least, the new AMD processors will have DDR3 support, which means - you guessed it - a new socket.

Just go for whatever is fastest for your money because it looks like 2009 will be the year of "all change!". :)
 
IMO AMD has been a lot worse in recent years with different socket types. So far we have sockets 754, 940, 939, AM2, AM2+ and AM3 for just one architecture!

I'm sure you will be able to buy an AM3 MATX motherboard (or whatever they are up to in a year from now) for about £20 should you decide to go in that direction later. So think of it this way; is it worth compromising your new build to save £20 in 18 months time and have an outdated board?
 
True that mate thanks- Tbh i dont think there is such a thing as future proofing by the time the next upgrade comes around half the componenets will be faster or need updating as the mobo progresses such as say ram speed and then cpu changes alongside sockets and so on. Its really a case of buying the best you can at the moment. My only problem is should i go intel for the sake of having slightly faster clock speeds etc and spend a little bit more, or save the money do with a slightly less expensive amd all be it slightly slower and with the money i save get a slightly better gpu which afterall is the reason im wanting to build a new rig primarily for gaming.

So the question i think im asking am i better off sacrificing the cpu (AMD) for a better gpu (8800gts/gtx)
Or should i get a slightly faster cpu (intel) and get a slightly worse gpu (8800gt)
 
You can have both. Intel can beat AMD now at any given price point.

I'd wait for the 4850 which is about a week away and looks to be able to beat the 8800GT at a lower price point, and go for that.

As for the CPU, well, something like this would be good on a budget.
 
I second the E7200. Pair it with an Asus P5K-VM or Gigabyte G33 DS2R and whatever's the best card (for your price bracket) in the next few weeks and you've got yourself a winner :)
 
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