Maximuscle. Noob ?.

youstolemyid · 21 Aug 2007 at 09:22

Not knowing what all this stuff does I saw Maximuscle Promax extreme in Tesco saying it will help build muscle etc...

What I want to know is :-

1. What would happen if you take it with no excersise & no weight lifting / training ?.

2. What would happen if you take it whilst doing basic weight training (not heavy weights) with no special diet ?.

You all seem like experts on this I just want more info as previously (3 or 4 years ago) I did weights at home for arms / shoulders & back building up quite a big figure just the weights, with none of this maximuscle stuff and no special diet.

Now i'm out of shape with a gut of all guts and need to sort it out before I go further downhill. :confused:

Hedge · 21 Aug 2007 at 09:45

It will take more than a supplement to stop you going downhill mate.

1. It will probably make you gain weight, or do absolutely nothing.

2. Without a good diet it will do nothing. With these things you need to supplement a good balanced diet.

Get your diet pegged down, buy some good supps from myprotein.co.uk ... then train steady and with good form... and bam.. results!

Volcs · 21 Aug 2007 at 09:48

Basically, there's no quick fix - you need to change your whole lifestyle to be healthier and only then should you consider supplements.

youstolemyid · 21 Aug 2007 at 09:49

Got Eddie Ellwood & his gym in my town, think that would be a good choice ?.

Hedge · 21 Aug 2007 at 10:03

youstolemyid said:
Got Eddie Ellwood & his gym in my town, think that would be a good choice ?.

Go try it out, see how you like it.

What town is that?

edit : ah hartlepool i guess

youstolemyid · 21 Aug 2007 at 10:10

Hedge said:
Go try it out, see how you like it.

What town is that?

edit : ah hartlepool i guess

Yes.

Got a Multi-gym & x trainer @ home but I think Eddie's advice would be worth the fee's.

Ultra_Extreme · 21 Aug 2007 at 10:48

This is what i posted on Anabolic Minds, to much concuration (concurring? agreement?)

Me on AM said:
Heres what ive learnt about bodybuilding, weight loss and nutrition in the last year.

[-------------------------------overall success---------------------------------]
[----Dedication----][----knowledge----][-----------diet------------][-supps-]

Its as simple as that, if you took NO supplements whatsoever but got your diet, knowledge and dedication up to speed then you'll gain as well as most people up to a point. Its only in the search for that extra few percent that supps start to come into their own.

For me, the money spent on supps is what justifies my dedication, puts my objective into material focus, if i buy a cutting stack worth $100+ ill be damned if im gonna go out on a cheesburger binge! Thus whether the supp works or not i become mentally focused on my goal. Im not an experienced trainer but im sure many on here that are will tell you a similar story.

MTA99 · 21 Aug 2007 at 11:11

Ultra_Extreme said:
This is what i posted on Anabolic Minds, to much concuration (concurring? agreement?)

Missed training and rest from at overall success diagram :confused:

Ultra_Extreme · 21 Aug 2007 at 11:14

MTA99 said:
Missed training and rest from at overall success diagram

i think m8 training and rest are a given, they at least come under knowledge. if you dont do those why are you taking supps in the first place!

. It was more a demonstration of how people need perspective on supps, as great as they are most of the work has to be done by the individual

MTA99 · 21 Aug 2007 at 11:22

I don't think anything on a forum is a given. Some people need it spelling out in blue and white :rolleyes:

Being pedantic, training, rest, diet and supps all come under "knowledge" as without it you're just blindly following some kind of prescribed routine.

Ultra_Extreme · 21 Aug 2007 at 11:57

MTA99 said:
I don't think anything on a forum is a given. Some people need it spelling out in blue and white

Being pedantic, training, rest, diet and supps all come under "knowledge" as without it you're just blindly following some kind of prescribed routine.

yep fair point, although id say that when you talking about the spilit of assets required for bodybuilding, if you have to put "lifting weights" in there then your wasting your time

although i agree that 'rest' is probably a missing factor. Also 'quality of program' might be better than 'lifting'.

Oh well, destroyed my post nicely

lol

Chong Warrior · 21 Aug 2007 at 12:12

I think training can safely be placed under 'dedication'? Rest under 'knowledge'?

MTA99 · 21 Aug 2007 at 12:40

Ultra_Extreme said:
yep fair point, although id say that when you talking about the split of assets required for bodybuilding, if you have to put "lifting weights" in there then your wasting your time

Re-read the first post (particularly point 1)!!

Not destroying your post just refining it into a masterpiece

Ultra_Extreme · 21 Aug 2007 at 13:43

MTA99 said:
Re-read the first post (particularly point 1)!!

Hehe "A $5 shake? thats Milk and maximuscle? You don't put no bourbon in it or nothing?"

kirkster · 22 Aug 2007 at 07:51

Guys,

All this protein shake stuff is ******** and it'll just make you fat/overwork your kidneys.

Just eat a good balanced diet, try and incorporate protein at each meal and make sure you have some low fat cottage cheese or something before bed. You can easy get up to 150 - 200 grams of protein a day. It's easy. One good meal I used to do is wholemeal bread, baked beans mixed with tuna. Cheap and about 75 gramms protein !!! Wholemeal bread with turkey slices - tons of protein. Weetabix with milk and yogurt etc,etc.

I used to do the protein shake thing but theres no need. I panicked when I stopped taking it thinking I'd stop putting on muscle but it's fine, you'll keep getting bigger.

There's far too much emphasis on protein in bodybuilding. Sure, you need to get enough of it, but spending £5 a day on supplements? Waste of money.

My 2c.

Steve

No swearing

ethos · 22 Aug 2007 at 08:11

Why would protein from whey stress your kidneys anymore than whole food?

Jeffstar · 22 Aug 2007 at 10:10

ethos said:
Why would protein from whey stress your kidneys anymore than whole food?

I don't think he's saying that it does.

The thing is, some people can go over the top with protein shakes. If you consume more protein than the body needs, the amino acids are deaminated, which basically means excess aminos are turned into glucose for energy or stored as fat.

Even for bodybuilding, more than 1-1.5g of protein per pound of body weight is overkill.

MTA99 · 22 Aug 2007 at 11:43

kirkster said:
All this protein shake stuff is ******** and it'll just make you fat/overwork your kidneys.

This whole protein shakes/excess protein = fat is *largely* a myth perpetuated by "my mate" stories on the internet. Its excess of calories that makes you fat not any specific macro.

Overworked kidneys hmmmmm......how many people on here indulge in a little binge drinking? IMHO the kidneys issue is only something to worry about if you're predisposed to kidney problems.

Don't know if you meant it or not but your post implies that whey (protein shake) is in some way different to chicken/beef/pork/eggs/milk/etc.

As for £5 a day on supps, only if you buy maxi-muscle and the like, some of us know better

Ultra_Extreme · 22 Aug 2007 at 13:07

Try eating 400g of protein a day from WHOLEFOOD and see how fat you get, Whey shakes are not the same as "weight gainers" popularized in 80's america. Weight gainers still exist but are far more balanced, my protein shake made with skim milk (500ml) has less calories that 1/2 can of coke (approx 136Kcal)

Try getting fat on that!!!

Chong Warrior · 22 Aug 2007 at 15:27

kirkster said:
Guys,

All this protein shake stuff is ******** and it'll just make you fat/overwork your kidneys.

Wish I had a £1 for everytime I've heard this little chestnut!

I'll ask you the same thing I ask everyone else who spouts this. Got any proof of this theory?

kirkster said:
Just eat a good balanced diet, try and incorporate protein at each meal and make sure you have some low fat cottage cheese or something before bed. You can easy get up to 150 - 200 grams of protein a day. It's easy. One good meal I used to do is wholemeal bread, baked beans mixed with tuna. Cheap and about 75 gramms protein !!! Wholemeal bread with turkey slices - tons of protein. Weetabix with milk and yogurt etc,etc.

OH THE IRONING!!!!!

Please... you got any more? I'm dying here

kirkster said:
I used to do the protein shake thing but theres no need. I panicked when I stopped taking it thinking I'd stop putting on muscle but it's fine, you'll keep getting bigger.

Yeah I'm sure you're ripped up and huge with a diet like that mate...

kirkster said:
There's far too much emphasis on protein in bodybuilding. Sure, you need to get enough of it, but spending £5 a day on supplements? Waste of money.

As pointed out by MTA, who spends that much apart from beginners who know no better and fall for marketting guff from companies like Maximuscle?

As a matter of interest what do you class as "supplements"?

Jeffstar said:
Even for bodybuilding, more than 1-1.5g of protein per pound of body weight is overkill.

There's still no proof this is true though and it's just personal opinion. People who follow Doggcrapp eat far more protein than this and get amazing results.

It is an opinion I share though. 1.2g-1.5g per pound of bodyweight is what I aim for. I'll go as low as 1g when bulking but when cutting I've found protein intake needs to be pretty high to minimize muscle loss.

I also agree some guys go over the top with the protein shakes. I get as much as I can from high quality protein sources but I'll still use whey and casein when it's optimal to do so. Thing is I've seen guys bigger and stronger than me and they get over 50% of their daily protein from shakes.... who am I to argue and tell them I know better?