May have bitten off more than I can chew...MR2 Winter project

Had one of these as my first car. Absolutely brilliant motors, your car as has been said previously is a Rev 5.
The Turbo engine lid is actually fibreglass and looks a lot better than the NA one. Glad to see you've ditched the scoops. That 3SGE is bomb proff and as long as you look after it will go on for ever. If possible ditch the EGR that these came fitted with on the later ones like yours (iirc) and get a nice cone filter on there for some lovely intake noise. My rev 3 made 184hp with a cone filter and decat.
 
Thanks for your replies everyone!

I'm hoping the engine just doesn't go on me in the first place haha!

I like the idea of rebuilding/up-rating the original engine at the same time - an engine specialist will probably do the work for me. I can't possibly over bore the engine myself, or source the correct parts and make them work together.

Well, I've reluctantly pulled the trigger on this lot, which should hopefully arrive in time for next week:

1). Timing belt kit 'Rev 5'.
2). Crank Oil seal
3). Rear bearing kit

I also have this lot waiting for fitting:

1). Waterpump
2). Latch/actuator passenger door

And this lot waiting to be used for the ends of the sills:

1). Lucerne Silver paint
2). Clear Lacquer
3). Etch primer
4). Various grades of wet and dry
5). Kurust

I also want to try the rear engine inspection covers in the lucerne silver as they are the steel mist paint code at the moment and don't currently match the rest of the car. They could work in an anthracite black as well to match the roof section - but I only have the standard black paint that was used on the mirrors, might not be as convincing against the lucerne silver work or the black metallic/anthracite roof section!

It's going to be a busy week!

Plan is to have the rear wheel hub assembly out by Tuesday evening as a friend has a press in work I can use to get the bearing out/put the new one in.

Monday morning to evening will hopefully go like this:

1). Remove strut bars
2). Remove intake system
3). Remove two coolant pipes
4). Remove and clean up ICSV with brake cleaner
5). Remove alternator bracket, alternator and belt
6). Lift car and engine, remove three engine mounts
7). Support engine on jack
8). Remove crank pulley nut by putting transmission in first and using a 1-2 foot breaker bar
9). Using a balance/harmonic puller, remove pulley
10). Remove top and bottom timing covers, noting the position of the longer and shorter bolts
11). Take car out of gear, ensure both the top cam marks line up (mark with tipex or similar), count teeth on belt between two cam pulleys
12). Line up any further pulleys etc. with any other marks by turning the crank by hand with the bolt in situ.
13). Lock timing in place with a 1-2mm sacrificial Allen key
14). Remove Idler pulley, timing pulley and water pump assembly
15). Check Oil pump for leaks before removing (didn't notice a leak, but you never know!)
16). Check tensioner and it's plunger isn't out of service specification
17). Replace crank oil seal
18). Replace water pump, noting gasket and washer orientation; replace two o-rings using silicon to keep the gaskets in place so they don't fall out
19). Replace idler and timing pulleys, noting orientation, using loctite on the bolt thread and torque wrench
20). Put new Belt in place, noting the marks from earlier
21). Put on Top and bottom timing covers
22). Put alternator bracket back in
23). Put crank pulley back in, tighten by hand and with torque wrench
24). Put engine mounts back in
25). Replace lost coolant and oil
26). Replace ICSV, intake system and strut bars
27). Hope and pray I did it right...

Well, that's the rough guidelines from memory haha! But of course it is subject to the relevant parts arriving on time! It will be a massive load of my mind if I know I've done the timing belt and I'm good for 60k or 10 years :D Pretty worried about it too, already had to re-do the timing chain on my previous Corsa 1.2 two years ago - it was 180 degrees out!
 
Buy a 3sgte. When I wrote off my mr2 turbo I sold the whole car for about 700 quid with full engine, gearbox etc.

Look around and try to find a full rear clip like that and just swap everything over.

You've probably spent hear that on parts for a bog standard 3sge. Not worth it imho .
 
I would also do the oil pump o ring seals and cam shaft seals. They are cheap parts and worth doing at the same time. 3SGE* oil pumps have a habit of coming loose over time and blowout their seals. Also when removing the crank pulley do not use a bearing puller on the edges of the pulley as this will break the edges of the pulley as they are very brittle.
 
Many thanks for your replies everyone!

LukeSi - You're right - it is a non interference engine! Good thing I have breakdown cover in place if it did snap on me.

TheRunningMan - I will look around for a turbo at some point - I should hopefully have some money saved up to put in a crash damaged MR2 Turbo, in the next few months, but they're probably hard to come by. If I do enough looking however, one is bound to come up that I can scavenge everything off!

Adam_cool_dude - I will look at buying a set of oil pump o-ring and cam shaft seals in the next few months - I decided to wait on the timing belt change because it's just too cold to be out too long at the moment, I was hoping this wasn't the case this week!

Sadly, my week off hasn't been as constructive as I had hoped, but I did manage to complete the following:

Handbrake - this was going all the way up and felt loose. After adjusting the rod on the bottom with the two 12 mm bolts, I went to the back, covered the two caliper actuator arms attached to the handbrake with lots of deblock oil and freed both of these up. Instead of going all the way up, in one click, the car is stable on a flat surface and is also stable and secure on a hill at 2 to 3 clicks and has enough travel for 5 clicks, whereas before it was somewhere between 7 and 9 clicks and it still struggled on hills. Sadly I have no photos of this, but at least it's done now! One less MoT advisory to worry about next year.

Passenger door actuator - this is a common fault on any Toyota or Lexus, the motors just wear out too quickly. This wasn't so straightforward - the external handle had to be removed in order to get on to the last rod linkage and I lost a bolt in the door somewhere because the external handle is very hard to secure from the back when there is window glass in the way - and I couldn't be bothered dismantling the door anymore. So I took a bolt from elsewhere on the door and replaced with an alternative mismatched one. I'll sort this bolt out eventually.

1). Replacement 4-pin Actuator:

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2). Door stripped:

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3). External door handle removed.

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Replacement seats - as my front driver seat was torn in multiple places, I was able to find somewhere who had a few really good ones left and took a pair with new door-cards and headrests. Only four bolts and one nut hold these in place and it wasn't too fiddly to install them.

1). Old driver seat

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2). Replacement seats being collected:

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3). Replacement seats installed:

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**Still to do**

1). Rear bearing. Sadly I never did get round to this. I plan to have this done by Friday this week - hopefully the hub should be off by Thursday or Friday but I have to be mobile by the afternoon as I am helping a friend install a replacement MR2 MK3 engine from Friday to Saturday.

2). ICSV - as I have been driving the car around, I have not been able to clean this yet. I plan to leave it parked up overnight and then take the strut bars and intake, allowing enough time for the coolant to settle towards the bottom of the engine, hoses etc. so I don't lose much, but I do have plenty of pink coolant that I can use for a complete flush and drain of the system if necessary. No sign of any leaks from the coolant pipes from hell, but I will have a look at these as well whilst the car is up, I plan to have the ICSV done by Thursday morning around about the same time as the hub. A good clean up should be enough, I also have some JIS type screwdrivers so I don't ruin any of the japanese screws.

3). Exhaust system. This has a hole in it, where gun gum was used as a temporary fix. As the issue appears to lie with the flange that goes from the catalytic converter to the back-box, I plan to measure this up, cut the flange off completely and then put an exhaust repair piece in with good strong clamps, not a permanent fix, but should last a bit longer and stop any further blowing until I find a stainless steel exhaust system from any MR2s being broken that I can put straight on.

4). Timing belt - as mentioned earlier, I find it far too cold at the moment to do any real work on the car - my garage is unheated and without power and an involved job like a timing belt change I would rather do when things are a bit warmer - and once I have a few more o-rings/seals. I already have a water pump with gaskets, a timing belt kit and crank oil seal ready to be installed but just want to get the remaining seals/o-rings ordered up and for it to warm up a bit.

5). Rear of sills - these are still solid but corroded. I want to just wash around this area later this week and then once that's all done, I'll rub down, add primer and spray. I should be able to get hold of a heater to help cure the primer and the spray between rub downs. I might be able to get this done by Saturday morning.
 
Hey everyone,

Bit of a long holy crap resurrection post but thought I would post on here! I still own the MR2 and I'm still loving it :D

It's been a crazy old year, I finished my degree in Biological Science and got a 2:1 which is okay. I have been pottering round with my MR2 in the spare time I had in between study and working. I still have yet to take it on a track day, but I managed to take it to an autosolo, it handles being thrown around traffic cones very well :D

Around a year ago, I picked up this MR2 and gave myself 4 weeks to get it through it's MOT despite not being moved for 3-4 years. It took two batteries, some fresh petrol and some reluctance, but it made it up to the hill to my garage where I was able to start work on her, starting with the whole charging system.

Fast forward to today and in the last year I have fitted a second hand stainless decat system which sounds nice, and given her a full fluid service. I also replaced the original ripped seats with really good ones - probably the highest expense thus far, good seats are hard to find.

Tyres, wheel bearings and front trunk trim have all been replaced. More recently I soldered in new wires and H4 connectors - the H4 connector was melted and crumbling due to oxidisation and the resultant high resistance!

The list is goes on, however, all in all the MR2 has costed me £1200, which isn't bad at all. I'll add another £120 on top for specialist tools I've bought. Full comprehensive insurance was £550. I average 40-44 mpg on a long run and 31-36 mpg on short journeys, which don't seem like bad figures.

Of course, the work doesn't stop when it's a daily driver and you're keeping a retro car on the road, but at least it's not as unreliable as my old British Leyland Triumph Spitfires were.

I'm starting to prep it for the next MOT, in around 4 weeks - always with the 4 week deadlines haha.

Pre-MOT Jobs

1). As my original mild steel exhaust and catalytic converter have non existent flanges that succumbed to rust, I'll probably replace these; welding new flanges in isn't going to be easy and my custom decat exhaust which I purchased for a song won't pass the emissions.

Unfortunately, a standard catalytic converter won't fit the stainless back box, the price I paid for buying cheap and for staying within budget. A sleeved flange with exhaust clamps could potentially work and is worth considering.

2). The rust on the rear passenger side sill needs a new patch at least - the same repair as the other side, but I'm working on my welding so I can do more of it myself. I plan to do the inside sill if that has gone too. I'm grateful to have friends who are happy to teach me welding.

3). Handbrake - it's at the end of it's adjustment - there are maybe 3 threads left on the front cable. I managed to get it to 6 clicks holding on a steep hill but I'll be buying all new front and rear cables soon. A whole set of cables costs nearly as much as the custom decat exhaust system did, crazy!

I've already replaced the rear calipers as they needed rebuilding so it won't be them. The previous owner fitted up-rated drilled/grooved discs with green stuff pads, which have immense stopping power, so that part of the braking system will be fine for the MOT.


Jobs still to do

1). I'm thinking about buying some nu-suede fabric from Dunelm Mill or similar if it is a good colour match to recover my headlining, it is stained with mould from being left outside by the previous owner. All the scrubbing and mould spray I used had no real impact on the discolouring to the front of it. I'll be re-doing the t-top covers in the same material.

2). As my MR2 has done nearly 173,000 miles, the timing belt, water pump oil seals and related ancillaries will need replacing in 7,000 miles. I aim to do it myself or take my car and parts to an MR2 specialist within the next 4,000 miles. Fortunately there are a few local ones to choose from. I have all the tools and parts I need for the job, but if I get in to UCL for my MSc or start full time work this September, it will be difficult for me to take the car off road for a week to do the job slowly and methodically. My garage is a horrible, dark and wet place to work on my car in and it has limited headroom.

3). Finishing the paint work. Age hasn't been kind to my MR2. The front passenger wing has been prepped for base and top coat for at least 12 weeks now and needs finishing. The fibre glass turbo cover has similar lacquer peel along with the rear bumper and rear boot panels. The front bumper has some crazing on it too. The g-mop I've been using has been very good at restoring the paintwork on the front trunk cover, wings and spoiler, but I don't think it will suit the turbo engine cover. The front bumper will need more extensive work.

4). Replace all the t-top and door seals. I have a minor 'motorway' leak which comes down the driver-side A-pillar, and emerges from underneath the driver 'mirror' speaker. Another minor leak sometimes causes some drips on the passenger seat after a heavy downpour. It could well be a case of employing one of the cling film/black silicon tricks, so I'll look at that too, as new t-top and door seals will run into at least a hundred pounds.

5). Replace every single hose and rubber thing - brake lines, engine lines, heater pipes, fuel lines, vacuum lines, engine/gearbox mounts, bushes, pipes from hell etc. I expect this to be the most expensive and time consuming job, but as it is a 19 year old car, it's unlikely the rubber bits are in the best of shape by now. The radiator looked brand new when I picked up the car, but I don't know what state the rubber radiator hoses are in, or the other rubber parts.


Long term jobs

1). Fit a 6-speed LSD gearbox if/when this 5-speed one fails. The BMW E153 is a good one to use, but I would prefer to keep it Toyota, so I might look at one of their own 6 speed boxes. As far as I know the gear selector might be the wrong way round but the innards of most 6-speed boxes by Toyota fit in the 5 speed housing. This won't be straightforward.

2). Rebuild the engine, potentially with a turbo manifold and head or up-rated cams, pistons etc. Depending on which Toyota 6-speed box I get, I may change the whole engine as well. The standard 3SGE engine the 1992-1999 year MR2's come with are good for up to 300 hp, which seems crazy high haha.

These are both long term jobs and they may or may not go ahead by their nature, time will tell!

After being washed

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Morning all!

So I've been really busy with all sorts, started my MSc in UCL in Cell and Gene Therapy in October 2019 and I've been largely occupied with that, and since the pandemic stuff kicked off, I had a lot of time away from UCL; so did some work on my MR2. I also sat two online exams, and currently in the process of getting my thesis on neuroblastoma written up, just got past the halfway point with that.

Anyway, here is a text diary of everything I have done or had done to the MR2 most recently:

February 2020 Steering wheel:

As my previous steering wheel was quite rough looking I sought a replacement...which arrived with the airbag activated, despite it being disabled :rolleyes: fortunately, I was able to take the previous airbag out and transplant that in.

1). Remove plastic trim around steering wheel
2). Remove plastic trim on airbag side of steering wheel
3). Use a 'duck foot' hub puller to wind out the steering wheel mounting bolts.

April 2020 Timing belt/auxiliary belt:

Replaced timing belt, auxiliary belt, and idlers as it was coming to around the time, at 176,000 miles and I had no record of it being done previously. I couldn't get at the water-pump at all in-situ, I did try, but since it is free of leaks, I thought best to leave it. I don't know how good the pattern part is, but I'll keep it and will probably drop the engine next time and do the water pump with the timing belt again, at around 240,000 miles or in the next 4 years. This wasn't an easy job! It involved the following:

1). Remove engine inspection cover
2). Remove strut bar (4x 14mm bolts)
3). Remove rear driver side wheel
4). Remove all the bottom engine covers
5). 19mm socket and breaker bar braced between the rear axle and chassis and a quick 'blip' of the starter to free the crank pulley nut (EFI fuse removed).
6). Using a 'duck foot' hub puller to wind out the crank pulley - bent 4-5 bolts doing this, as I had to keep double checking everything. I chipped the original crank pulley when I got ham-fisted with impatience, so I had to buy a replacement crank pulley halfway through the job and eventually got the hub puller working.
7). Jack the engine up and down until all three engine mount bracket bolts could be undone
8). Twist the engine mount bracket in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways to get it out of the engine bay, by far the longest job.
9). Remove two nuts from underneath the driver side engine mount
10). Remove long bolt from driver side engine mount
11). Remove top and bottom timing belt covers.
12). Realised there were no timing marks on rear timing belt engine plate!! :mad:
13). Remove all the spark plugs
14). Marked the original belt and the new belt in-situ, old belt was in very good condition :confused:
15). Remove two 14?mm bolts for belt-tensioner
16). Realised everything had moved, even though the car was in first gear, so I had to put the crank pulley and pulley nut back on, to line up the crank marker with the top-dead-centre marker on the bottom engine oil-pump casing - rinse/repeat 15 times :o
17). Set the cams to TDC by putting a long screw driver in the first spark plug hole (nearest to the timing gear) rinse/repeat 10 times.
18). The MR2 was definitely not timed correctly - it wasn't running right, so I decided to buy a timing gun at small expense.
19). At this point the static reading was either 10 degrees after top dead centre then when I reset the two top cams it was 16 degrees before top dead centre!! WTF! :confused:
20). Only explanation was valve-crawl, the crank was still reading top dead centre, based on the oil-pump housing marker used previously and it seemed to occur every time the tensioner was bolted in.
21). New plan - I partially put the engine back together - I made sure the crank was still at top dead centre, put the bottom timing belt cover on, put the crank pulley, pulley bolt and new auxiliary belt in.
22). Leaving the top timing belt cover off, I found that the alternator belt and 1st gear kept good enough tension on the bottom crank pulley for it not to move at all.
23). I was able to remove the tensioner and reset the belt on the cams many times without disturbing the crank timing - as confirmed by the bottom crank marker and a long screwdriver in spark plug hole #1.
24). Driving tests still confirmed things were off - I got down to a static timing of 0 degrees, which was a little wrong still, but I swear all the matchmarks lined up! They were tipexed, and I could clearly see everything was straight with a inspection mirror!!
25). The 'eureka' moment :o:D every time I was setting the cam timing it was slightly advanced - the reason being, the engine sits at a slight angle down towards the left when looking at it from the timing belt side. After phoning a friend of mine, between us, we figured out that I needed to move the cams one tooth anti-clockwise, so the top cam matchmarks (an S shape and a dot) were vertically pointing towards the top of the engine, at around 11 'o' clock not 12 'o' clock. I got the static timing bang on at 10 degrees before top dead centre (short jumper TE1 and E1 on the diagnostic port, use positive terminal in fuse box and clip the negative to a strut bolt).
26). I was finally able to put the engine mount and bracket on, mark with tipex new rear timing belt casing marks, wriggle the top timing belt cover in and do everything up, the car no longer felt bogged down to 3-4k when it the timing was retarded, or pinked when I drove it with the timing too advanced, and I had the proper power curve back.

The job took me probably a week and a bit to do, because of all the errors I made! But, I saved a bit of money doing it myself and now I know how to do it properly. Hopefully this means at the next interval I'll be done within 4 hours next time. Though adding in the water pump, I might be looking at more, because I will be dropping the engine next time, because it's much easier for a water-pump and timing belt change.
 
June 2020 Bodywork/Welding:

With the next MOT coming round as quickly as October/November time (I like to be ready for an MOT at least 1 month before it is due, so I can check everything is okay), I thought it time to throw some money at the car, as I have done pretty much all the work myself, or had friends help with the weld patches, so I've made some great savings. There aren't many MR2s about, and even the NAs are getting harder to find, plus I got some extra hours at work, so figured I had a 4-figure budget for welding/fabrication.

I was prompted to have the work done because I found a hole in the rear end sill plate, previously I was quoted £70 to fix this hole, but I thought about it and realised that whilst a patch will get me through the MOT, the previous patches were starting to fail, so I could fail the MoT on those anyway, plus the sills did look in a bad way.

So I purchased a pair of outer sill covers from MR2-ben, as well as a pair of end sill plates and then went around to get quotes.

I was getting quotes of between £1100 and £3000 to weld in the new outer sills I had purchased. £3000 did seem a little excessive though, perhaps it was a 'worst case scenario' but there was no way I could budget for that unless I saved for a while longer and as my hours were soon to be getting reduced, so I could concentrate on my thesis, I decided I couldn't go to that.

So I settled on a reasonably local welder/fabricator who was able to show me previous work done on many marques of cars and the current cars that were being finished up. For £1000 dead, I had new fabricated floor pan patches, fabricated arch, both end sill panels and the supplied outer sills and end sill plates welded in, stone-chipped and painted. There was even an under-seal coat! So I am very pleased with the result and I should imagine the repair will last a long time. The inner sills were solid so it looks like I got lucky that more work wasn't needed.

2020 Future work:

July:

Replace single din Alpine stereo plus it's useless blanking plate/drawer thing with a Pumpkin Auto 9.0 Android double din stereo. I rarely listen to CDs in the car so I have opted to go mechless. With a bit of filing to modify the aperture, this should be a relatively simple install. It also means I'll have DAB+, and a full screen map as well as the option to install many apps and make good use of my mobile data plan. My parents car has a similar stereo fitted and having looked at some MR2 forums and some youtube videos, the install looks fairly straightforward.

July/August

Bodywork again. My MR2 never came with great bodywork, and although I have stripped down to bare metal in some areas and primed, filled and painted, I'm still not happy with the overall consistency throughout.

1). Some of the areas I have machine polished previously are burnt through, so these will need to be stripped back and redone - the rear spoiler is particularly bad for this, the bonnet not so bad.

2). Both bumpers have had paint crazing or lacquer peel since I received the car, so I will look to strip these down to primer or to bare plastic if I have to and then perhaps use a good 2pack paint (with all the safety equipment of course) to adhere to these plastic panels and make them look way better.

3). Both doors have a bit of rust coming through, one I managed to stop dead, but the other needs me to go back to it, I will probably prioritise this job first.

4). Both front wings have dents and scratches from the previous owner, I will look at using a dolly to push the arches back out and filler/primer/paint the driver side front wing and I will be using filler and primer to repair the scratches before priming and painting on the passenger front wing.

5). The bonnet has a few stone chips on it, they're a bit unsightly and annoying, so these will need to be repaired properly - I will probably look at a stripping most of the paint off before repairing the paint chips and filling/priming/painting where necessary.

6). The doors and rear wings have those annoying door dings, they do spoil the appearance of the vehicle, but unless my paintless dent removal kit does the job, I will probably just leave these in.

7). Lacquer peel is apparent on sections of the bodywork, so I'd like to strip these areas down to the top coat, and reapply new lacquer to give these areas their shine again.

August/September

MoT preparation. I had an advisory on the front brake pads wearing thin and a rear bearing. I'll look at checking all the bearings on a jack-stand and checking my front brakes for wear and tear. A few months back, they looked like they were roughly half worn, if they're excessively worn by August/September, I will replace them with the spare EBC greenstuffs I have.

Intermittent sensor issues. The power steering relay is widely known to age, resulting in deposits being left and the P/S light staying on, with associated heavy steering. I have had the problem previously and just burnt it off by turning the key to ignition a few times which has resolved the problem. Ideally I would like to some how get inside it, give it a proper clean and see if I need to replace the relay or parts of it. The ABS light sometimes stays on, having shorted out Tc and E1, the issues appear to relate to the speed sensor wiring. I plan to get the car up on jackstands and clean up the areas around these sensors and check for corrosion and poor wiring. These are not so easily found brand new, so I may have to go aftermarket for these, I've read that Nissan Primera speed sensors work, but I'll have to cross that bridge if I get there.


Thanks for reading so far! Sorry these are such long posts. I don't really keep webspace anymore as the space is too expensive to maintain, but I try to keep my instagram updated with my MR2 progress, which is mr2nclassics /shameful marketing of myself Haha!
 
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