Why do you think top-down, bureaucratic, state control of worker availability is a good thing?
May rejects points-based system for EU nationals
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Why do you think top-down, bureaucratic, state control of worker availability is a good thing?
It's hard to see how that would have been good for anyone. Much more sensible to get someone in who wants to do the job of exiting the EU before pushing the big red button.
Pro's and con's to me.
I realise things get missed in huge threads but we just end up with a multitude of smaller threads about the same basic topic with the same off topic arguments going on in each of them.
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There is no opinion there at all.
The point was that many people voted for things like this, when all we voted on was to leave or not, they are all being shot down one by one.
What the remain campaign said or did has no relevance to this topic.
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Yeah, why would anyone want the guy who had no confidence in the result, to spearhead the change. The guy who was pretty much declared the father of doom and gloom for the campaign.
Im not petty enough to RTM a post like this but are you really that dense you haven't understood the multiple warnings from mods that generalised insults arent acceptable and yet you are still unable to put your point across without using one.
Again that's not what they voted for - they voted to Leave the EU. Unless you have some sort of source that shows voters had a particular attraction to a point-based skills system...
Of course what the remain campaign said or did is relevant. The referendum campaign didn't take place in a vacuum - how the other side behaved absolutely did affect Vote Leave and vice versa.
The tone of the Leave campaign was that they wanted to "control" immigration and a points based system was one way of potentially doing this. Obviously there's a lot of interpretation on what "control" actually means, just as there is on what Brexit actually means.
But if a points based system is off the table, then we would appear to be looking at quotas or hard caps. But how are those actually monitored and enforced?
Personally I'd prefer the discussion to have been more about how to better cope with immigration and free movement. The fact that people want to come to the UK should be a positive thing, it means we are (were?) doing things right. Most of the problems have arisen because the UK is woefully unprepared for the numbers due to decades of constant under investment in this country's housing, infrastructure, integration and public services.
But if a points based system is off the table, then we would appear to be looking at quotas or hard caps. But how are those actually monitored and enforced?
Personally I'd prefer the discussion to have been more about how to better cope with immigration and free movement. The fact that people want to come to the UK should be a positive thing, it means we are (were?) doing things right. Most of the problems have arisen because the UK is woefully unprepared for the numbers due to decades of constant under investment in this country's housing, infrastructure, integration and public services.
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Fully agree. It seems that the immigration issue was very much put at the centre of many problems we face today, when in reality it was insignificant if not negligible when discussing subjects you mention. Better to target the problem than pass blame and carry on expecting our fortunes to get better when nothing has actually been dealt with.
Like i said previously, there are many good reasons to control immigration, it is just that the control must suit our needs and it would be foolish to proclaim it the solutions to concerns with housing, infrastructure and public services.
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Its a reasonable conclusion to draw that "many" people voted due to immigration issues and this notion being touted by Farage. Only need to look at social media, the media in general and talk to people who voted that way to see.
Well if they did influence people's decisions, they did so more effectively than the lies and half-truths of the remain campaignStill waiting for that emergency budget...
or WW3 or being back of the US trade queue or doom and gloom or any number of other lies
Lies on both sides - dont choose to pick one side without considering the nonsense spouted from both camps
You'd better tell Nigel Farage ASAP because here's what he has to say:
"Theresa May’s track record on immigration as Home Secretary was appalling and her comments rejecting an Australian-style points system really worry me."
"There is already huge anxiety out there in the country regarding Theresa May’s reluctance to trigger Article 50. Her rejection of the type of migration system so many went out there and voted Leave to see implemented indicates serious backsliding."
Source.
I think people are really jumping to conclusions here. All we know right now is that the point based system has been deemed to be unsuitable. We don't know why yet. I have no doubt that another system that is considered to be better will be used instead.
Cards on the table : I voted remain. That said, the vote was out so let's make the most of it instead of trying to fling turds at the opposition. I would like to know why the points system was defenestrated, but I really don't think it has anything to do with back sliding or trying to back out of brexit
Cards on the table : I voted remain. That said, the vote was out so let's make the most of it instead of trying to fling turds at the opposition. I would like to know why the points system was defenestrated, but I really don't think it has anything to do with back sliding or trying to back out of brexit
So much lol over all this
At the end we will still have free movement of people and access to the single market. T
Which will mean what a whole load of people voted for won't happen.. Reduction in immigration
The eu cannot let UK have free access and limited immigration.
At the end we will still have free movement of people and access to the single market. T
Which will mean what a whole load of people voted for won't happen.. Reduction in immigration
The eu cannot let UK have free access and limited immigration.
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I am pretty confident total free movement is done for.
Maybe some headline grabber to satisfy the brexit vote, but nothing will really change.
The eu if it wants to survive cannot budge on this. Otherwise it will fall apart
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This is what makes the whole referendum so nebulous, there are many many reasons people voted the way they did. However none of these were on the Ballot paper. In or out of the EU, that's all.
Any determination on any other topic, other than Leaving the EU, is wishful thinking.
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Probably. But it'll likely be replaced with some kind of quota system. Whether this will satisfy the EU enough to still allow single market access will largely depend on how large the quotas are and if in all practical senses they still equate to free movement whilst giving the UK the semblance of 'control'.
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