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So how much should the lowest paid job be?
McDonalds workers due to strike for £10 an hour...
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So how much should the lowest paid job be?
sounds mc greedy to me. I worked there from 16-20 and its a good wage for a job like that. It was also a very flexible job and sociable so im not sure what they are moaning about, they do not deserve that sort of wage at £10 an hour its ridiculous.
As much as the market would allow, if they can't get employed then they'd have to raise it surely?
But nah let's just inflate everyone's prices instead, that's the solution... people still talking about human workhorses when it's quickly becoming irrelevant will be the despair of future policy.
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It does make me wonder how they think they are worth this much although I can see why they want more as minimum wage isn't enough to live on.
Before I re-entered eductaion I worked in the civil service and was paid about £10 per hour. I had a case load that had an annual value in excess of £1,000,000 and a delegated authority of £100,000 or £250,000 (I forget which). Bit of a difference between the level of responisbility, but then again, looking at MaccyD's profitibility could they afford to treat their worker better?
Before I re-entered eductaion I worked in the civil service and was paid about £10 per hour. I had a case load that had an annual value in excess of £1,000,000 and a delegated authority of £100,000 or £250,000 (I forget which). Bit of a difference between the level of responisbility, but then again, looking at MaccyD's profitibility could they afford to treat their worker better?
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10 quid an hour, are you having a giraffe.
You ever been in a Mcdonalds, staffed by incompetent, rude gibbering teenagers. who always mess up orders, they don't seem to have any communication skills whatsoever. And there is like 20 of them in there all doing a miniscule job each. And this has been any Mcdonalds/KFC I've been in around the country.
Like literally, one person puts chips in packs, one person fries said chips, one person always seems to be standing around like a sore thumb, they always leave people waiting when they could be serving. One person will flip burgers, one person will put said burger in a box.
Its the most mindless unskilled job on the market ffs, 10 quid an hour, do one.
Welcome to capitalism, where the reason Mcdonalds profits are so high is because of what they CHOOSE to pay their staff, which is by the way, within the law.
None of those staff are being FORCED to work there. Don't like the hours or pay? Then leave! They are not obliged to pay you what YOU want, you SIGNED a contract of employment VOLUNTARILY, if you weren't happy with either then you should just not do the job or try and negotiate before you sign a contract.
You ever been in a Mcdonalds, staffed by incompetent, rude gibbering teenagers. who always mess up orders, they don't seem to have any communication skills whatsoever. And there is like 20 of them in there all doing a miniscule job each. And this has been any Mcdonalds/KFC I've been in around the country.
Like literally, one person puts chips in packs, one person fries said chips, one person always seems to be standing around like a sore thumb, they always leave people waiting when they could be serving. One person will flip burgers, one person will put said burger in a box.
Its the most mindless unskilled job on the market ffs, 10 quid an hour, do one.
Welcome to capitalism, where the reason Mcdonalds profits are so high is because of what they CHOOSE to pay their staff, which is by the way, within the law.
None of those staff are being FORCED to work there. Don't like the hours or pay? Then leave! They are not obliged to pay you what YOU want, you SIGNED a contract of employment VOLUNTARILY, if you weren't happy with either then you should just not do the job or try and negotiate before you sign a contract.
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Back in the 1990s, the unofficial minimum wage was ~£3 per hour, but you could get tins of Tesco Value beans and spagetti for 4p.
Now minimum wage is £7.20(?) per hour, but how much is a bargain basement tin of beans? Lidl and Sainsbury's do 25p tins, I've no idea if there are cheaper tins out there.
My memory is too wooly to recall other examples, but the price of basic foodstuffs have more than doubled, while the basic wage has doubled over the last 20-25 years.
Now minimum wage is £7.20(?) per hour, but how much is a bargain basement tin of beans? Lidl and Sainsbury's do 25p tins, I've no idea if there are cheaper tins out there.
My memory is too wooly to recall other examples, but the price of basic foodstuffs have more than doubled, while the basic wage has doubled over the last 20-25 years.
You are so right about the need for communication skills.
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minimum wage
Well, that's the lowest minimum legally mandated rate it can be, but is that what it should be?
Not according to some posters, which is the question Avenged was asking.
Especially since min wage is just an arbitrary number, not exactly tailored to the specific roles, duties and responsibilities of any one job.
Why don't we just make minimum wage £1,000 / hour!
well you'd need to remove minimum wage if you wanted to tailor a wage to some roles... essentially any role which could otherwise be paid less than minimum wage gets lifted to minimum wage, thus the rather arbitrary nature of it
what sort of roles would you consider worthy of minimum wage if entry level roles at McDonald's don't fit?
£10 an hour assuming your full time /40 hour a week with paid holidays is going to be over 20k a year
More than a newly trained police officer is paid as a basic salary
http://www.polfed.org/ranks/3277.aspx
And almost 5k more than the starting salary for a nurse
https://www.rcn.org.uk/employment-and-pay/nhs-pay-scales-2015-16
To be fair both of these examples show fairly quick wage progression but they involve a lot of ongoing learning never mind responsibility.
Working as general staff in a fast food restaurant is a low skilled job that doesn't take most people long to master.
Much like the 1970's showed if lots of people start demanding (and being given) large pay rises the net effect is not more spending power for the masses but an acceleration of inflation making money worth less at a faster rate than would otherwise be the case
More than a newly trained police officer is paid as a basic salary
http://www.polfed.org/ranks/3277.aspx
And almost 5k more than the starting salary for a nurse
https://www.rcn.org.uk/employment-and-pay/nhs-pay-scales-2015-16
To be fair both of these examples show fairly quick wage progression but they involve a lot of ongoing learning never mind responsibility.
Working as general staff in a fast food restaurant is a low skilled job that doesn't take most people long to master.
Much like the 1970's showed if lots of people start demanding (and being given) large pay rises the net effect is not more spending power for the masses but an acceleration of inflation making money worth less at a faster rate than would otherwise be the case
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My Mrs is a manger in Mcdonalds she only gets an extra 50p an hour, i pay most the bills as she can barley afford half our bills and just having a child, she has to deal with about 30 staff and stress of all the complaints and management roles that come with it, shes on her feet all day and its a lot of work, Its unfair in my eyes i earn more sitting at a desk.
Manager is a different story altogether - 50p extra is pathetic!
The staff only seem to work 3-4 months get sick and fed up of how hard it is and new ones are brought in all the time, my Mrs is training new people all the time, and they can always get new people in cos so many apply for it, due to being forced too mostly my the job center so people can collect there dole. Ridiculous
Aye, initially the minimum wage was brought in to stop the absolute exploitation of employees by unscrupulous businesses, but jobs in general were more tailored with their pay. Now it seems the minimum wage has turned into the maximum wage for a lot of jobs because of the level it is, and since it is catching up with rates paid to more 'skilled' or responsible jobs, it's causing these issues. Now that's partly to do with the cost of living and partly to do with the other jobs haven't seen a commensurate rise in their pay.
I'm not sure and it would be easy to pick apart any list, but if the high turnover of staff at McD's is due to people getting fed up of the working conditions, then it doesn't seem the wage is high enough, for staff retention at least.