Men's make up
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I feel you're dancing on the head of a pin somewhat here, you don't like the word "offended" in this usage, which is why I genuinely asked what word would you use.
I'll try and put my point across with examples.
Someone says "I think the front grill on the new BMWs looks great" - now I don't and would voice my opinion as such, but I understand it's just purely an opinion based on subjective aesthetic preferences and in no way would lead me to make negative and judgemental comments about their character, because it doesn't upset/offend/cause any negative emotion in me.
Someone says "I think animal cruelty should be legal" - I don't and would voice my opinion again but this time the concept they are discussing does cause me upset/offence/negative emotions and would more than likely lead me to make negative and judgemental comments about them.
So if a guy says "I like to wear make-up" - I don't, but I am totally indifferent to the concept of men wearing make-up, it's caused me no "offense" so I make no negative or judgemental comments on their character.
So when you see people make comments like
It's opinions they have that are derived from not being indifferent about the subject, so they find it.....[blankety blank].....which is why they voice negative opinions and judgements.
And I've just asked you what you'd prefer in the [Blankety blank] than "offended"
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Man of Honour
I presume this extends to take any and all drugs, build guns in your garage, have opinions that constitute "hate crimes" and don't bottle them up?
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Caporegime
BRB just going for a fap in the street. It's not hurting anyone and makes me feel good. Fap fap fap!
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My mornings are nice and simple
Get up
Coffee
Poop
Shower
Get dressed
Leave for work.
To hell with spending an extra 30mins putting slap on my face. With my face, no amount of makeup will work anyway
Get up
Coffee
Poop
Shower
Get dressed
Leave for work.
To hell with spending an extra 30mins putting slap on my face. With my face, no amount of makeup will work anyway
Is that you Cathy Newman?
Soldato
ROFL now some are equating illegal acts to a legal act as some kind of gotcha.
Absolutely bonkers.
Amazes me how fragile some are.
I guess we need to ban male makeup and have some kind of morality police to enforce it
Absolutely bonkers.
Amazes me how fragile some are.
I guess we need to ban male makeup and have some kind of morality police to enforce it
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Soldato
Acceptable, doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I think it is an overused word that has lost all meaning and is thrown around more like an ad-hominem rather than actual descriptor of a situation. That is my actual opinion of the usage of the word "offended".
I guess you could say I am offended when people misuse words
I feel you're dancing on the head of a pin somewhat here, you don't like the word "offended" in this usage, which is why I genuinely asked what word would you use.
I'll try and put my point across with examples.
Someone says "I think the front grill on the new BMWs looks great" - now I don't and would voice my opinion as such, but I understand it's just purely an opinion based on subjective aesthetic preferences and in no way would lead me to make negative and judgemental comments about their character, because it doesn't upset/offend/cause any negative emotion in me.
Someone says "I think animal cruelty should be legal" - I don't and would voice my opinion again but this time the concept they are discussing does cause me upset/offence/negative emotions and would more than likely lead me to make negative and judgemental comments about them.
So if a guy says "I like to wear make-up" - I don't, but I am totally indifferent to the concept of men wearing make-up, it's caused me no "offense" so I make no negative or judgemental comments on their character.
So when you see people make comments like
It's opinions they have that are derived from not being indifferent about the subject, so they find it.....[blankety blank].....which is why they voice negative opinions and judgements.
And I've just asked you what you'd prefer in the [Blankety blank] than "offended"
You separate opinion and judgement, but when talking about actions that people take naturally having an opinion on it, will include a judgement. Go see montymints post on the first page. He expresses an opinion on this and gives a judgement and how people who wear make up feel. Judgements are not exclusively reserved for when people have a negative opinion on something.
As for the example posts you gave, they are just people expressing their opinions. That's all it is.
Someone who is truly indifferent to a topic wouldn't have an opinion on it. If you were truly indifferent on the concept of men wearing make up, you wouldn't have an opinion and you most certainly wouldn't give a **** about the posts you quoted. An indifferent person would have popped their head into the topic realised they don't care and then never return.
Soldato
Couldn't care less tbh. Some men were already spending too much time faffing with their hair.
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Incredible...
Yes I would definitely have an opinion on someone who did. It's most definitely their right to be able to do what they want but it doesn't mean I wouldn't be like.....wtf
But then again it's easy for me to say I've got good skin so I understand if you have a mental block due to whatever then its fair.
Yes I would definitely have an opinion on someone who did. It's most definitely their right to be able to do what they want but it doesn't mean I wouldn't be like.....wtf
But then again it's easy for me to say I've got good skin so I understand if you have a mental block due to whatever then its fair.
Man of Honour
Does taking drugs, building weapons (note I did not day using them) and not lying about your opinions in conversation (note I did not say acting on them) harm others? The point is that the concept of "harming others" has no objective meaning, and goes back to my previous comment about everything mattering and everything impacting everything else.
There has to be a point where it does/doesn't impact.
And it will always be grey.
Having a pee behind a bush is fine by me. But others it would irk.
I'd say if you're affected by someone's clothing you're probably going to be by many many things.
Where as most people would be affected by walking around with a gun.
Generally the laws are pretty good in this respect at acting as a proxy for where things should and shouldn't be acceptable.
Ie. Therea no law about wearing makeup/drag etc. But some establishments won't let you in.
Whereas walking around with a gun will net you a prison sentence.
Peeing behind a bush.. No idea actually. Outdoors everyone does it. But in a city it's different, although people still do.
Soldato
I wear black nail polish, but I've done that for decades.
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How did you get any of that from wearing makeup?
Soldato
I do the same if I'm gigging, when I remember
Man of Honour
I've explained, and I'm not going to repeatedly retrace the argument for you dude.
Again, who are you arguing against?
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