Mexican Grand Prix 2015, Mexico City - Race 17/19

[Flibster]

Ricciardo and Vettel under investigation - causing a collision

 

[Skeeter]

How can Honda get this mess sorted, with no way to test/develop?

They can't. McLaren need to go elsewhere.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Ricciardo and Vettel under investigation - causing a collision

Racing incident...at least it should be...

 

[Flibster]

Vettel Ricciardo - No further action.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Yup. Good outcome.

 

[Vertigo]

Hamilton pulling out of Rosberg's slipstream, presumably for brake cooling.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

They're in the same boat as everyone else and have had an entire season of "testing". There's no excuse, they're just abysmal.

I agree they are abysmal, but I'd say the rules aren't really great for a new engine manufacturer entering the sport.

 

[Flibster]

McLaren knew the engine was fubar'd and still sent Alonso to the grid?

Nicely done.

 

[Skeeter]

"For respect to the fans we tried to race".

The respectful thing to do is for Honda to fall on their sword.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Hamilton pulling out of Rosberg's slipstream, presumably for brake cooling.

More than I have seen this early, they really must be right on the edge.

 

[MooMoo444]

"For respect to the fans we tried to race".

The respectful thing to do is for Honda to fall on their sword.

If Honda made it themselves it would probably bend.

 

[Flibster]

Ricciardo radio call - struggling for rear grip at the moment.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

First pit stops, Hamilton struggling, two stop then?

 

[Flibster]

Massa and Hulkenberg pit too.

 

[Skeeter]

I agree they are abysmal, but I'd say the rules aren't really great for a new engine manufacturer entering the sport.

They have had much more freedom than Mercedes, Renault or Ferrari had in their first year of V6s. The others had to homoligate an engine by the end of Feb and then not touch it all season. Honda have had the freedom to develop all year, but after what must be 20+ engines they still can't last 1 lap.

Honda have had all the chances to prove they can make a competitive engine, and have proved that they can't.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Lots of rubber going down and a lot of sliding...fun to watch

 

[Flibster]

Maldonado pits. Look out everyone... here he comes!

 

[drunkenmaster]

I agree they are abysmal, but I'd say the rules aren't really great for a new engine manufacturer entering the sport.

They have unlimited testing on dynos, please try and remember that Mercedes and Ferrari and Renault for the first year came to the start of the season with either rock solid or good enough engines purely off dyno testing. LIttle to nothing changed to the engines from first day of testing till first session of the season last year, same this year. It takes time to develop new engine parts(anything remotely major). These engines can become 98% finished purely on R&D/dyno testing, all of which is completely unlimited.

Tokens allow teams to make big changes without many rules to prevent them but they HAVE made a significant number of reliability updates outside of token changes.

Biggest current problem is Honda's dyno testing isn't showing up the reliability problems where as Ferrari and Merc in particular are finding 99% of the problems on the dyno so fixing most of them before the season starts.


It's entirely at this stage Honda's incompetence that is the problem, not the rules.

 

[MooMoo444]

Do the radios normally sound like they're gargling water? Sounds naff.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Unbelievable how slow that Honda is...