Soldato
I took it to mean in terms of atmosphere... and in that light hes right. Absolutely blows every other podium out of the water.. even silverstones with its track and cowshed grandstands in the background.
Mexican Grand Prix 2015, Mexico City - Race 17/19
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I took it to mean in terms of atmosphere... and in that light hes right. Absolutely blows every other podium out of the water.. even silverstones with its track and cowshed grandstands in the background.
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I'd say it's #2, something about Monza & the Tifosi is special, even as a non-Ferrari fan.
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Well I think this safety call screwed over Hamilton, although the SC cancelled it out.
He stayed out a lap longer than he had to on the softs to keep more life in the mediums. He also potentially was saving his tyres to make a charge at Rosberg at the end.
The team then decided to effectively give Rosberg a free set of fresh tyres with no consequence.
I don't necessarily think Hamilton was trying to be cheeky by refusing to pit. His annoyance at pitting makes more sense when you think about that.
He stayed out a lap longer than he had to on the softs to keep more life in the mediums. He also potentially was saving his tyres to make a charge at Rosberg at the end.
The team then decided to effectively give Rosberg a free set of fresh tyres with no consequence.
I don't necessarily think Hamilton was trying to be cheeky by refusing to pit. His annoyance at pitting makes more sense when you think about that.
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Meh, track was rubbish, didn't generate much overtaking at all. Very little wheel to wheel racing. Effectively zero good corners for action, it was pretty much single file except for the final straight which didn't seem entirely conducive to overtaking. Such low air density maybe meant DRS or a normal slipstream didn't have as much effect, added to temps meaning cars often went out of their way to not be in the slipstream.
I never care how a track looks from a layout, reality and layout don't often match. People said Sochi would suck as well but it's been great and promises classic races in the future when the cars are more competitive with each other. This track though doesn't remotely work. Some tracks are poor wheel to wheel but still provide some excitement in qualifying. Monaco sucks as a race but qualifying, inches from walls, it's at least good for that. This sucked in qualifying as it's such a boring track and it doesn't lend itself to any wheel to wheel action.
While the atmosphere was great in the stadium that was by a large way the most boring part of the track. The only 'overtakes' were both coincidentally for Perez, no one else came close to an overtake there, one was literally gifted because of an earlier mistake and the other was a mistake going into that section by Max. DIre design of ultra slow, narrow corners with zero chance for a real overtake, it's a procession section of the track and gives a crap sequence into the main overtaking straight.
I don't know if that stadium has enough space there but some kind of german style long straight into a hairpin to have some big overtaking moves just infront of the stands then loop back around the old turn around the outside of the stadium back onto the straight. Putting such a ridiculously awful section inside the stadium... lol.
I can see in the future that Sochi could be brilliant with closer cars, I can't see how that layout in Mexico can provide better racing, it needs a complete layout change.
I never care how a track looks from a layout, reality and layout don't often match. People said Sochi would suck as well but it's been great and promises classic races in the future when the cars are more competitive with each other. This track though doesn't remotely work. Some tracks are poor wheel to wheel but still provide some excitement in qualifying. Monaco sucks as a race but qualifying, inches from walls, it's at least good for that. This sucked in qualifying as it's such a boring track and it doesn't lend itself to any wheel to wheel action.
While the atmosphere was great in the stadium that was by a large way the most boring part of the track. The only 'overtakes' were both coincidentally for Perez, no one else came close to an overtake there, one was literally gifted because of an earlier mistake and the other was a mistake going into that section by Max. DIre design of ultra slow, narrow corners with zero chance for a real overtake, it's a procession section of the track and gives a crap sequence into the main overtaking straight.
I don't know if that stadium has enough space there but some kind of german style long straight into a hairpin to have some big overtaking moves just infront of the stands then loop back around the old turn around the outside of the stadium back onto the straight. Putting such a ridiculously awful section inside the stadium... lol.
I can see in the future that Sochi could be brilliant with closer cars, I can't see how that layout in Mexico can provide better racing, it needs a complete layout change.
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I had to chuckle at Kimi's engineer telling him the right-rear was broken 
Unfortunately, apart from both Ferrari drivers binning it, the race was terrible. The circuit features too many slow corners and not enough proper overtaking opportunities. Even the DRS zones were crap and I usually don't care for them, but they could have made do with one longer zone on the main straight.
Hamilton had the pace to win, but simply made the mistakes once he was within DRS. Not that the commentary team or the race director noticed mind
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Unfortunately, apart from both Ferrari drivers binning it, the race was terrible. The circuit features too many slow corners and not enough proper overtaking opportunities. Even the DRS zones were crap and I usually don't care for them, but they could have made do with one longer zone on the main straight.
Hamilton had the pace to win, but simply made the mistakes once he was within DRS. Not that the commentary team or the race director noticed mind
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Soldato
Well done Lewis you finished where you said you would. Nice seeing Bottas up there as well. But a crap race. should have left the track as it was.
Exactly the kind of thing Vettel used to get stick for. Fine and dandy leading the GP with a second per lap car advantage but when some geniune pressure was applied, errors. I still think he's the same inconsistent error prone driver but 1 second per lap advantage and a team mate that can only apply pressure 1 in every 15 races helps hide that.
We do need another team to apply that pressure weekend in weekend out as we are being robbed of seeing the best and worst of Hamilton.
Soldato
There are good and bad tracks for every driver. Hamilton already said before the start he would come 2nd.
Hamilton has never been any good at Sao Paulo and I don't see any change this year. But people will say "PRESSURE"
Soldato
Hamilton has never been any good at Sao Paulo and I don't see any change this year. But people will say "PRESSURE"
Why would anyone claim "PRESSURE" when he's already won the title?
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I don't think Red Bull ever had a 1-2s/lap advantage, and if they did, I'm pretty sure it wasn't at multiple tracks. Nothing's been as dominant as Mercedes for a long while.
Error prone? I'm not so sure. There's races like Malaysia 2015, CotA 2015, Abu Dhabi 2012, Brazil 2012 which are moments where he has had to push and has done so incredibly well - But there's races like Bahrain 2015 and Mexico 2015 which bode against that. People will always take the negatives more to heart than the positives though.
I'd like to see Vettel in the Mercedes, against Hamilton, but I don't think that's something we'll ever see sadly.
Error prone? I'm not so sure. There's races like Malaysia 2015, CotA 2015, Abu Dhabi 2012, Brazil 2012 which are moments where he has had to push and has done so incredibly well - But there's races like Bahrain 2015 and Mexico 2015 which bode against that. People will always take the negatives more to heart than the positives though.
I'd like to see Vettel in the Mercedes, against Hamilton, but I don't think that's something we'll ever see sadly.
Soldato
I love this:
Simtek on the GP Rejects forum said:
I'm not sure he did, he went off once, other than that closed the gap to 1 second for about a lap or two then fell back, same everytime. Which to me sounds more likely brake temperature or something else. As it was the same everytime. Although they get so little air time who knows.
Soldato
I screamed so loudly when it happened in joy, and shouted "in your face kimi". Almost woke everyone up in the house. Opps
Soldato
I wish he stayed out and then team to refuse to pit him under the safety car. Rosberg, Bottas and possibly even red bulls would overtake him at the end on better tires.