Michael Owen

I don't suppose the fact none of those players has managed six seasons of scoring more than 15 Premiership goals has anything to do with the fact that, of that group, only Drogba has played six seasons in the Premiership, as a starter? :confused:

I've scored more goals in my five-a-side league than Cristiano Ronaldo. Doesn't make me a better player than him. Better still, I didn't score them all ten years ago.

You've lost me completely with that second paragraph. Why has your 5-aside league got anything to do with the Premiership, which is what the lets-bash-Owen-with-the-number-20 brigade care about? :confused: Ok, I can kinda follow the '10 years ago' bit, but if people use the phrase "has NEVER", that means we are looking at all of a players career.

Those stats were purely used to illustrate the folly of this arbritary number people pull out in reference to Owen about "never scored 20 league goals". But why 20? Why not 15? Why not 30? It's just a number deliberately chosen to make him look bad, so playing devils advocate I chose a number to deliberately make him look good (16+).

As for the first paragraph, first of all, Wayne Rooney has started 24 or more Premiership games for the last SEVEN seasons in a row, never mind six. I'd say that makes him a starter when you take injuries, suspensions and rotation into account.

The reason I rolled off some names was to show that many of the so-called top current strikers can't actually compete with Owen on a given arbitrarily chosen stat. But by all means, pick out your own names of current players who have started six seasons for comparison on the 16+ goal front :)

Heck, if we want to go down that route of just looking at number of seasons started, even if we say OK, we'll limit it to a number so that the newbies get a chance, they still can't can't manage it more than a couple of times, unlike Owen. What I'm saying is, it's not even a case of me saying nobody has managed 6, of the names I mentioned none of them have even got close.
 
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You've lost me completely with that second paragraph. Why has your 5-aside league got anything to do with the Premiership, which is what the lets-bash-Owen-with-the-number-20 brigade care about?
Well I'd have thought it was fairly obvious. You're saying that Michael Owen has a better scoring record in the Premiership than, say, Fernando Torres, so I was merely pointing out that the latter hasn't got nearly the same amount of playing time for it to be a fair stat. Thus, to illustrate, I make the comparison that I've scored more in my league than Cristiano Ronaldo, because, unsurprisingly, I've also played far more games in it than him.

As for the first paragraph, first of all, Wayne Rooney has started 24 or more Premiership games for the last SEVEN seasons in a row, never mind six. I'd say that makes him a starter when you take injuries, suspensions and rotation into account.

The reason I rolled off some names was to show that many of the so-called top current strikers can't actually compete with Owen on a given arbitrarily chosen stat. But by all means, pick out your own names of current players who have started six seasons for comparison on the 16+ goal front :)
Yes but you picked several players who haven't even played six full seasons in the Premiership, so how on earth could they possibly beat Owen's scoring record in that regard?

I'm not arguing against Owen here, just that you chose a pretty unfair method of highlighting his record. But then, as you said, you were doing it purely as devil's advocate, so I'll back out of this. :)
 
OK guys. If the names I threw out there (because most of them are regarded as top forwards for leading teams) are a problem for you, pick ANY current Premiership players you like. Your choices. Then list how many times they have hit over 15 premiership goals a season. They can have played 18 seasons if you like.

You really need to grasp the fact that I'm not looking to draw direct comparison with the specific individuals I chose (although it may have come across that way - I was only naming some current players to give it some context, to show that it wasn't some doddle stat that any tom dick or harry can match). I'm just saying that if people want to bash Owen's record based on some stat, they should also fully accept the stat of 16+ league goals a season achieved SIX times.

Live by the sword, die by the sword, and all that.
 
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I didn't see anything wrong with the comparisons or the timeframes. He was responding to someone who said Owen wasn't a quality striker, stats prove otherwise compared to strikers playing today who are all considered quality.
 
Or maybe the game /EPL has changed significantly since Owen left Liverpool (for instance I wonder how many goals on this season's form Rooney would have scored during the same time frame Owen was getting 16+ year in year out)

Utd needed another goal scorer, and on a free Owen was a good fit - he should have been given more game time undoubtedly (even if only as super sub more regularly)

To my mind his year's salary was paid for in Germany but especially the winner against City, hope Utd use him a lot more next season but if it wasnt plainly obvious before, SAF NEEDS to get a top level striker in the Summer to help Rooney
 
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