Michael Schumacher's Greatest and Worst Moments
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Look, I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out some context (this thread is called greatest and worst moments isn't it?). I said MS deserves praise for making intelligent choices pre-race to maximise his on-track performance. I give credit to all drivers were it is due, doesn't matter if they're called Mika Hakkinen or Pedro Diniz.
damon hill adelaide 1994
damon hill silverstone 1995
damon hill monza 1995
damon hill suzuka 1997
should have been banned for life surely
ill give you 1997 as it looks intentional but 94 looked like damon doing the same as he did in the two above races of 1995
i guess no one mentions monaco anymore since they realise what ayrton did in qualifying of monaco 1985 lol
damon hill silverstone 1995
damon hill monza 1995
damon hill suzuka 1997
should have been banned for life surely
ill give you 1997 as it looks intentional but 94 looked like damon doing the same as he did in the two above races of 1995
i guess no one mentions monaco anymore since they realise what ayrton did in qualifying of monaco 1985 lol
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Yes, not being a title contender he could take an awesome gamble like that and it paid off big time. Villeneuve was decent enough in the wet but his whole time at williams he and the team made some awful set up calls in the wet.
Spain 96 was an awesome gamble and a fantastic display. It probably helped the boys that worked Benettons electronics so well were also part of the team
Some of MS's drives in 92 are my favourite, you can see so much ability there. I remember saying to my dad in 92 when everyone was raving about Mansell that MS was a future champion. Not that anyone could predict he would win 7!
Soldato
Spain 96 was an awesome gamble and a fantastic display. It probably helped the boys that worked Benettons electronics so well were also part of the team
You say that, but....well, just look at that '96 race and the Ferrari. It was sliding all over the place. Same goes for '97 and Monaco, he gets an almighty slide on through Anthony Noghes several times. If that's traction control running, then it isn't very good!
I know people point to the rough-sounding engine at Barcelona '96 and say it's evidence of traction control, but given the general (un)reliability and (lack of) performance of the F310 isn't it a bit more likely to be wet electrics and a sick engine?
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Oh yeah, one for the 'greatest moments' column - Suzuka 2001:
If he left any speed to be found on that track by the time he was done, it can't have been much.
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didnt they have spare cars back then? so its not really an excuse for a team not to have a wet and a dry setup ready?
Soldato
Lol get out.
I suppose you'd have shot Grosjean and Maldonado by now.
Banned Senna too.
Mwahahaha
senna never cheated!
its not like he would set the fastest lap and then drive around the track slow blocking his rivals or anything
cheating again eh senna? illegal brake ducts eh disaqulified eh?
lol more cheating eh?
senna sees a gap he goes for it! LOL
i could post more but i cant be bothered.
ones a cheat
ones has never put a foot wrong! the perfect shining of example on an ideal f1 driver
its not like he would set the fastest lap and then drive around the track slow blocking his rivals or anything
cheating again eh senna? illegal brake ducts eh disaqulified eh?
lol more cheating eh?
senna sees a gap he goes for it! LOL
i could post more but i cant be bothered.
ones a cheat
ones has never put a foot wrong! the perfect shining of example on an ideal f1 driver
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Yes they did, but it doesn't mean they didn't have one ready they just chose the wrong one to start the race.
Stop cracking jokes
Many people think his troubles in the wet where his own doing, funnily enough in the wet at Spain in 96 only MS and Alesi beat him. No he wasn't at his best in the wet but it never helped they almost always got the tyre choice wrong when he was in a race winning car.
Dunno why every time someone in a thread is slightly critical of MS you have to bring other drivers into it like it's a defence?
I'd have banned Senna as well, so it makes no difference to your argument
You say that, but....well, just look at that '96 race and the Ferrari. It was sliding all over the place. Same goes for '97 and Monaco, he gets an almighty slide on through Anthony Noghes several times. If that's traction control running, then it isn't very good!
Yeah I was half joking but I think people get hung up on the traction control they ran being as good as the legal stuff. It wasn't, it was never going to be as good using engine maps as a crude form of TC. It's something all teams ended up doing and it got better but I'm sure in 96 it wasn't so good to stop the car sliding
It was quite often that the ferrari would sound rough in later years and sound like it was dropping cylinders, for all the geniuses at ferrari and reliabilty of legends you would think they could have sorted that out
Soldato
It was quite often that the ferrari would sound rough in later years and sound like it was dropping cylinders, for all the geniuses at ferrari and reliabilty of legends you would think they could have sorted that out
Amazingly in all the footage of those seasons there is never any rough sounding Ferrari, strange that
Maybe it's people getting hung up on seeking excuses and creating things that did not exist
Soldato
Amazingly in all the footage of those seasons there is never any rough sounding Ferrari, strange that
Montoya mentioned how rough the ferrari sounded when following, as though it was dropping cylinders. Right before the FIA gave up trying to police illegal TC via engine maps. They all ended up doing it but it's pretty clear electronically the ferrari was miles ahead of everyone else, whether that's from years more experience or not is another debate
Montoya mentioned how rough the ferrari sounded when following, as though it was dropping cylinders. Right before the FIA gave up trying to police illegal TC via engine maps. They all ended up doing it but it's pretty clear electronically the ferrari was miles ahead of everyone else, whether that's from years more experience or not is another debate
Yet all those cameras recording sound picked up nothing, maybe JPM had super hearing I guess
Whose to say whether they picked up anything, I remember being at Barca before TC was made legal again and the Renault or Benetton (whichever it was at the time) was clearly up to something. It had visibly much better drive out of the corners but sounded absolutely hideous. Like it was about to expire, when exiting the corner.
It was pretty well reported at the time that teams used engine maps for a TC get around, the FIA just never had people or the know how to police it. So they gave up.
It was pretty well reported at the time that teams used engine maps for a TC get around, the FIA just never had people or the know how to police it. So they gave up.