Michael Schumacher's Greatest and Worst Moments

dannyjo22 said:
From actually attending GP's instead of guaging it from TV sound.
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Yes indeed it sounds different when at a GP, but the camera's still have no problem picking up TC when it was legal, so does not explain why they did not when you claim someone was running it illegally, its a very hard sound to hide.
 
Look at the Toyotas at Monza in 2008 (the year after TC was re-banned). From the race weekend thread back then:

JRS said:
Has anyone else noticed that when we get an on-board shot of a Toyota, it never seems to be struggling for traction even when every other car is bouncing off the rev limiter and scrabbling to try and get some purchase on the track?

Take the start in Spa - if La Source was any further away from the starting grid, Trulli would have been in the lead. He was so much faster than the cars around him. Glock didn't exactly struggle to get it off the line either. And at Monza - the TV switches to an on-board of one of the Toyotas, James Allen says 'listen to this car without TC'....and the car accelerates out of Ascari with barely a hint of wheelspin compared to the rest of the field.

They may not be using traction control as such, as they aren't getting the misfiring soundtrack whenever they apply the power. But they seem to be doing something, IMO.
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That's traction control. Full power out of Ascari, not a hint of a wiggle, when everyone else in the field was struggling to keep it pointed the right way. And they never got pulled up for it.


LOL Toyota International Assistance LOL


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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, back on-topic. Schumacher, Hockenheim '04, and another mega qualifying lap:


Commentators talking down his chances of pole initially, until he completely nails the final sector of the lap :)
 
Skeeter said:
Yep. Its surprising that even with almost standardised engines there is a very distinct difference in the sound they make.
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Yep you can never pick that up from tv because they sound very similar. When you are rooted at one spot you can almost close your eyes and know which team is coming, especially at a quieter practice session.
 
JRS said:
That's traction control. Full power out of Ascari, not a hint of a wiggle, when everyone else in the field was struggling to keep it pointed the right way. And they never got pulled up for it.
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Yes I agree, it's also not beyond the realms of possibility to think that in 2008 they would just be better at it than MS's ferrari years. I'm sure you read Lawerences pieces on the Toyota scandal and what they were really after when they went after Ferrari Blue prints. The secrets to the electronics.

How toyota got away with all that is as bad as anything anyone else has pulled in the last 50 years :D

It just went away....
 
Skeeter said:
Yep. Its surprising that even with almost standardised engines there is a very distinct difference in the sound they make.
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different exhausts and engine maps.

mercedes just changed to an engine map similar to the mclaren one.
the exhausts they are using also have a more narrow exit now.

the engine will obviously sound a lot different but its not because of traction control..

engine map traction control sounds a lot like what redbull are doing this season but i dont hear anyone screaming they are dirty cheats with illegal TC
 
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