Microsoft Possibly Pushing Foward the Release Of Windows 7

I think by modular he may be referring to the subscription model being toyed by MS. You buy a basic version of the OS, and pay for addons (such as fancy graphics, maybe advanced games, etc).

I'm afraid I don't have the link anymore, I even think it may have been a Patent. In my opinion this is a really really bad idea, combined with MS pricing enthusiasts are going to be screwed over.
 
I think by modular he may be referring to the subscription model being toyed by MS. You buy a basic version of the OS, and pay for addons (such as fancy graphics, maybe advanced games, etc).

I'm afraid I don't have the link anymore, I even think it may have been a Patent. In my opinion this is a really really bad idea, combined with MS pricing enthusiasts are going to be screwed over.

That won't happen, I'd bet money on it. And even if it does, it won't be the only option.

Burnsy
 
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I don't think that will ever happen because of people like my mum. She doesn't want to install anything to surf the web or play a CD. Christ, she is barely aware she is using Windows. If it involves anything more complex than clicking onthe internet icon and she's not interested. And i think she is representative of 90% of computer users.

So why would MS cater to the wimps of a small minority?

You forget that the above user also doesn't care what is installed, at least until they find they want to do something that they haven't installed the module for.

The above user isn't the kind that streamlines their setup, wants a custom installation or understands what they can and can't remove for their uses. They want a system either installed on a pre-built pc, or at best, a system where they put the CD in the drive, fill in a couple of necessary fields and click ok. These people do not want choices, nor do they understand them, they want a PC as an appliance, not as a toy.

By providing a single installation that provides all the windows functionality (tailored by product, hence the home basic, premium, ultimate model), they are serving the majority market far better than any modular installation model would do.
 
I fail to see how paying £100 for Vista Ultimate is anything approaching good value considering it will die an immature platform that brought no concrete advantages over XP. The ultimate sacrilege is that my company is upgrading to Vista in December 2008, around 7-8 months before it is due to be replaced by the new Windows 7. Madness.

Your company would be insane if it jumped straight into windows 7 environment as soon as it comes out as vista would have nearly 3 years of testing behind it (including beta ofc) whereas windows 7 would have sod all.
 
I fail to see how paying £100 for Vista Ultimate is anything approaching good value considering it will die an immature platform that brought no concrete advantages over XP. The ultimate sacrilege is that my company is upgrading to Vista in December 2008, around 7-8 months before it is due to be replaced by the new Windows 7. Madness.

You do realise windows 7 is likely to be windows 98 to Vista's windows 95? All the big, hard changes were done in Vista (that's why it took so long), I doubt we'll see significant kernal or stack rewrites such as the ones in Vista in windows 7.

As for no concrete advantages, I'd say the rewritten Graphics engine, much stronger security (including restricting access to the kernel) and so on certainly constitute significant advantages going forward. Just because Vista looks the same does not mean it works the same under the hood.

Edit: This is worth a read too from Arstechnica.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080124-windows-7-in-2009-be-careful-what-you-wish-for.html
 
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I'm still on XP at the moment, I was having problems with games but I might actually go over to Vista soon(ish) I am just going to wait for SP1... Windows 7 well, Ms can't force anyone to use it!

Stelly
 
You do realise windows 7 is likely to be windows 98 to Vista's windows 95? All the big, hard changes were done in Vista (that's why it took so long),

Big, hard changes. Are you serious? lol. :)

As for no concrete advantages, I'd say the rewritten Graphics engine, much stronger security (including restricting access to the kernel) and so on certainly constitute significant advantages going forward. Just because Vista looks the same does not mean it works the same under the hood.

Whether they would be considered significant advantages from a business point of view over what we already have is open to debate. There's a reason the majority of I.T. professionals and the I.T. media are dissatisfied with Vista and why it's being so frequently slammed even so long after its release. Vista is more like XP 1.5... unoriginal, uninspiring, unimpressive.

People seem to make the mistake of thinking that Vista gets slagged off just for the sake of it rather than for many legitimate reasons, primary of which are that despite its years in develpment its brought almost nothing significant to the table. It's regarded among many industry-wide as a dead duck, and if I thought it was genuinely worth upgrading to over XP I would be using it as we speak.
 
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Big, hard changes. Are you serious? lol. :)



Whether they would be considered significant advantages from a business point of view over what we already have is open to debate. There's a reason the majority of I.T. professionals and the I.T. media are dissatisfied with Vista and why it's being so frequently slammed even so long after its release. Vista is more like XP 1.5... unoriginal, uninspiring, unimpressive.

People seem to make the mistake of thinking that Vista gets slagged off just for the sake of it rather than for many legitimate reasons, primary of which are that despite its years in develpment its brought almost nothing significant to the table. It's regarded among many industry-wide as a dead duck, and if I thought it was genuinely worth upgrading to over XP I would be using it as we speak.
The only people that say that are those that, frankly, don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Vista was probably the biggest revamp to the Windows OS, well, ever.

Just off the top of my head:

1. New 64-bit hi fidelity sound stack, supports 3D microphones (useful for pervasive speech recognition - wait for Windows 7 to see what this technology can really do) Previous sound stack by comparison was 16-bit and had no native support for professional sound hardware that needs direct access.

2. New neworking stack that supports IPv6 natively and allows low-level network software (firewalls/IDS/sniffing) etc to hook in without resorting to hacks.

3. Completely new graphics sub system. GDI is gone, hurrah! WPF and the Desktop Compositor is in. Artifact-free desktop is finally here. As a side affect it is also much prettier because the Desktop Compositor can render pixel shaders just like any modern computer game!

4. Major security revamp inside the kernel. New "integrity levels" allow sandbox seperation of processes. UAC on the user-level provides sandboxing of processes and on-demand privilege elevation. So finally Windows can feasibly be run on a non-Administrator account now. Pre-NT 6.0 this was kind of possible but not really usable on a day-to-day basis, if at all - due to some applications simply not working on non-Administrator accounts.

5. Explorer is finally properly multi-threaded, so it takes advantage of multi-core CPUs.

6. RDP 6.0 allows individual programs to be remoted. As opposed to, traditionally, the whole desktop of a Terminal Server.

It's always hard for businesses to "value" an operating system. Their argument has and always will be "our current OS does everything we need". Nothing will change that. Just because businesses aren't upgrading (yet) to Vista doesn't mean it is "regarded industry-wide as a dead duck".

I seem to be saying this a lot recently but please understand that Vista is a "technology release". Technology releases always take longer than "user releases". Windows 7 will largely be a user release. That is because Windows 7 is going to just build upon the technologies that were established in Vista. If you think the "oh ever so pretty desktop" in Vista is bad then I can't imagine what critics will make of Windows 7. It's just going to be a complete and utter eye candy fest with not much interesting new stuff under the hood at all. Not that that bothers me as I quite like the eye candy and I am intelligent enough to realise that graphics cards will be *more than* powerful enough in 2009 to run it.
 
Ok maygbe I exagerrated a little, but I know IT guys in several huge companies that really, really don't like it even after testing it extensively, and see no business case for upgrading the entire company to it. In fact i'd say I know very few people overall that find it a pleasure to use.
 
Yes, anyone with a differing opinion to you must be stubborn and ignorant, because there's only a few people world-wide in the IT industry and also the IT media that don't like Vista. Honest.
 
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Ok maygbe I exagerrated a little, but I know IT guys in several huge companies that really, really don't like it even after testing it extensively, and see no business case for upgrading the entire company to it. In fact i'd say I know very few people overall that find it a pleasure to use.

It's always the same story though. When XP came out the same people that are slating Vista now were slating XP back then saying things like "oh it's got a user interface like a Fisher Price toy...", "it seems very very bloated compared to Windows 2000", "my software is incompatible". It's just a vicious circle. People are scared of what they don't know. Until something finally gives them the push or incentive to *actually* try it out they will continue slating it.

Here's some finger in the ear stats that IMO are not far from the truth:

95% of Vista slaters have never actually tried it.

Of the 5% that have, a further 4.95% didn't use it for more than a month.

That leaves 0.05% that are genuinely disatisfied with the product.

PS: You can add +1 to your list because I find it a pleasure to use.
 
Roll on Windows 7 then.

Vista is going in the way of Windows Me because it didn't have any benefits over XP.

Why is Windows 7 being pushed forward by 1 year? Because in this world of current OSs, Microsoft obliviously realised that Vista is simply not good enough with its silly system requirements.
 
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