Microsoft Surface 2

Clutching at straws are we? What faster cpu?
Whats this magical new soc on the horizon you talked about?

1.7 vs 1.9max (maybe the refrence tablet was 1.9)

Where these faster speeds you talk off, those don't show it.
Even if tegra 4 in tablets is slower, its not going to by much, un like what you originally post, so no your still talking rubbish
Geekbench 2 for example taking in to account the slower mhz still comes out at a claculated 3553 still faster than 800, same as antutu, kraken, sunspider. With the others being marginally worse.

So come on back up your statements, surface 2 is also 10hrs, hardly a power drain.

From all the info i have seen how you can call it last gen is beyond me. Even other comparisons put one ahead on cpu, and the other ahead on gfx by about equal measures.

So is this fan boyism? Or have you got anything to back it up.
 
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Glaucus said:
Clutching at straws are we? What faster cpu?
Whats this magical new soc on the horizon you talked about?

1.7 vs 1.9max (maybe the refrence tablet was 1.9)

Where these faster speeds you talk off, those don't show it.
Even if tegra 4 in tablets is slower, its not going to by much, un like what you originally post, so no your still talking rubbish
Geekbench 2 for example taking in to account the slower mhz still comes out at a claculated 3553 still faster than 800, same as antutu, kraken, sunspider. With the others being marginally worse.

So come on back up your statements, surface 2 is also 10hrs, hardly a power drain.

From all the info i have seen how you can call it last gen is beyond me. Even other comparisons put one ahead on cpu, and the other ahead on gfx by about equal measures.

So is this fan boyism? Or have you got anything to back it up.
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Tegra is a last gen architecture the facts show that. Tegra 4 is an OpenGL ES 2.0 architecture while modern mobile GPUs are an OpenGL ES 3.0 architecture. Modern GPUs have a Unified shader architecture while Tegra is still lacking that basic function. There is no way you can call Tegra 4 a modern GPU. Calling Tegra modern is like calling a DX9 GPU modern in a DX10/11 world. One of the reasons Tegra 4 lost all its market share and dropped below 1% market share was its an outdated architecture. That is not fan boyism its fact. Its why I said MS are crazy to base Surface 2 RT around such an outdated chip. Are they trying to make it fail?

I am not clutching as stews but you clearly are by using such unfair comparisons. As for your CPU comment now you’re twisting my words to prove yourself right that or you don’t understand the technology. Go re read my posts as I never said anything about CPU’s or faster CPU’s. I clearly talked about GP compute and ES3.0 as that’s the way forward and faster GPU’s. The CPU doesn’t really matter anymore the GPU is what matters as it’s what does the compute data.

For power usage go to http://www.imgtec.com/corporate/investors/results_presentations.asp
20 sep 2013 top row Annual General Meeting. Click on the presentation PDF and go to page 21, ok I admit it’s a little outdated but it’s basically still along the correct lines for today. I have seen zero evidence the newer Tegra chips are any better and the ratio between the 3 chips is still pretty much like that today. The purple line that users up over x3 more power is Tegra. Green line is Adreno and blue line is PowerVR. Tegra is well known for its really poor power usage and heat problems. Considering Tegra is the slowest of all 3 and users over x4 more power at points I think it’s fair for me to say Tegra is not surprising good in fact it’s pretty rubbish. I have seen no evidence the newer Tegra chips are any better.

10 hours when the GPU is not fully active. Tegra is well known for thermal throttling and power problems. In reality I bet you don’t see 10 hours.

http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?site=dx

The above link shows the median scores over lots of benchmarks. The fastest none shield Tegra 4 is over 24% slower than the fastest Adreno 330. Modern mobile phone GPUs like Rogue are faster than Tegra 4 in a shield with a heatsync and fan. That is how outdated Tegra 4 is.
 
Glaucus said:
So not much to back it up, we will see, as nokia is almost certainly going to be 800. Then we can have a good comparison.
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Either you have very little understanding of the subject or you’re a troll with a comment like that. I just proved what I said is correct and what you said is wrong. Did you even bother to look at the benchmarks and power usage graphs and that is the best you can say against my architecture comments? What has Nokia 800 got to do with anything? That's an old phone.
 
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They seem to be correcting a lot of the weaknesses of the first versions, with longer battery life, 2 position kick stand, more memory for pro, power cover, docking station, illuminated keyboard etc.

I could see myself using one for hot-desking at work. :D

I know Microsoft don't make covers for the Surface, anyone have recommendations in that area? I'm guessing Pro covers will still function with the Pro 2.
 
I'd prefer a case from MS, the one I have means having to take it off when using the doc...
 
This looks like just what we need for someone at work, teaches in lots of different classrooms and has very bad arthiritis which makes taking her hefty dell laptop around a nightmare.

One question, probabl already covered but I just wanted to check, Surface Pro 2 WILL see a 5ghz Wireless network won't it? I assume its almost a no brainer, but I just wanted to be double sure!
 
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Anyone have any idea when Microsoft will be putting these up for the student discount? ;)
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I asked on their online chat and they said they didn't know, but thought it would be a month after release.

As I have a gadget issue I preordered.

Al
 
Apparently stock's running low on the Pro devices now and the shipping dates getting pushed back for new orders. I've been waiting for it to come out at John Lewis on release day since they said they will be stocking them. But with all this going on will I even be able to buy one?
 
Hope my pre-order comes through...
I've been told Insight are getting some as well at launch so maybe work looking there...
 
256gb, basically for the extra ram, the normal pro I have now is good enough for most things even tho its only 128gb, the 8gb model plus the dock should sort me out...
 
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