Microsoft Surface RT Priced

Can't make folders on sd card = crap
Can't store media on sd card = crap
Can't close apps down = crap



All but hurt when you can't install apps on sd card, despite it being well known about and discussed in their design blogs. Yet call it intentional of course it is.
 
Glaucus said:
Can't make folders on sd card = crap
Can't store media on sd card = crap
Can't close apps down = crap



All but hurt when you can't install apps on sd card, despite it being well known about and discussed in their design blogs. Yet call it intentional of course it is.
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I never said anything about any of those, so again I'm confused. I said you can't add a location that's on a removable disk to a Library, and that the media apps use the Library feature to source their content. If you have trouble understanding then I'm not really sure what I can do to help?
 
Sorry got you and Martin mixed up, it was him on about exit and apps.

The fact is you can add sd card media to apps.
You can't add it to library's in desktop as library's aren't for removable storage as its saves info etc, so what does the library do when you remove it. But then win rt doesn't have a proper desktop anyway. So you can't compare metro on rt to desktop on win8.

You need to separate desktop and metro.

Again why do you instantly jump to the conclusion Microsoft team is lying to the media and buyers. Taht is an absurd conclusion to jump to.

As for. Tran wrck, MS have allready made more money at this point, compared to win7 pre-orders. So I would say that's stupidly impressive, even. I wasn't expecting it to surpass those numbers and we haven't even. Got the cheap download link. Either that or someone's read the figures wrong.

Microsoft on Thursday reported that sales from its Windows division plunged 33% in the most recent quarter, but the news wasn't all bad for the software maker. Pre-sales of Windows 8 came in at almost $800 million, 40% higher than comparable pre-sales for the successful Windows 7 OS.

Revenues from Microsoft's Windows group fell 33% from the previous year, to $3.24 billion. But Koefoed noted that the results do not include pre-sales of Windows 8 and sales of Windows 7 PCs that are eligible for a $15 upgrade to Windows 8. The former accounted for $783 million in deferred revenue, while the latter resulted in deferred revenue of $384 million.
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The only way to play music without having it in the relevant Library is to use the file browser thing to pick the file. No nice album browsing, no shuffle. This is the same behaviour that the Photos and Videos App exhibits.

I have no reason to believe the implementation of how these built-in Apps work is going to differ between Windows 8 and RT. If they had managed to make removable locations appear in Apps like Music then they'd have that feature in 8 Pro as well.
 
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see this is why I act as I have towards you.
you didn't try it at all, its not even your own pic.
its a pic from here
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/windows-8-tip-overcoming-library-limitations-144057

and as he says himself its still a work in progress and the picture app as stated already acts differently.

explains why you are so evasive on answering where you get this stuff from, not that it needs to be if its a genuine question.

And that was posted before the windows8 and app updates. However m not running RTM, so can't get these updates to see what's changed.
 
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Glaucus said:
see this is why I act as I have towards you.
you didn't try it at all, its not even your own pic.
its a pic from here
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/windows-8-tip-overcoming-library-limitations-144057

and as he says himself its still a work in progress and the picture app as stated already acts differently.

explains why you are so evasive on answering where you get this stuff from, not that it needs to be if its a genuine question.
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I have the latest Windows 8 Pro preview thing installed now, it acts the same. It releases in 7 days. Forgive me if I'm not full of optimism that they will significantly overhaul that feature.

The Photos app does act differently you're right, it doesn't even give you the option to open a picture.
 
Happy to be corrected but I thought that the reason Android has SD card support for apps is that you are limited on how much app data you can have in the ROM. I seem to remember on my old Galaxy S2 I could only install 2GB of Apps on the 'phone' and then after that I needed SD card support despite the phone having 16GB of storage.

Win RT doesn't seem to have that problem so why would you want to store apps on an external SD card given it has 32GB (less formatting and OS) available for apps?
 
Yeah but this all started off with the 'what's the point of the SD card' question, and I still can't find one. Unless you like picking your videos and music by filename instead of preview and album art, or using the very much non-touch UI that is Windows Explorer to store files on the card to open in the similarly non-touch UI that is Office 2013 (except OneNote).
 
Except you don't know it's handled like that, your guessing based on win8pro.

Anyway I've emailed a MS person, see if I get a more detailed reply.
 
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Sorry got you and Martin mixed up, it was him on about exit and apps.
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And neither of those are untrue or me hating on the device.
And I only said about exit, which there is none, to end the app you have to do the sloppy method of going to desktop and then dragging it from the left and then dragging it down, there's no animation transition dragging it down, one second it's there and the next it pops down for a second and it's gone.

Highlighing stuff in "Metro/Modern Desktop" is also slightly weird, it's not consistent to it in desktop, you have to hold and then drag down slightly (I'm used to it now though)

And for app's I was only on about there's no option to install to SD card or move to SD card.

You're getting way too personally involved with Windows 8.
 
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Except you don't know it's handled like that, your guessing based on win8pro.

Anyway I've emailed a MS person, see if I get a more detailed reply.
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I'm guessing based on the OS launching alongside it designed to run the same apps, yes.

Also has anyone got any information on the on-screen keyboard at all? I can't find anything on the Surface website.
 
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Yeah but this all started off with the 'what's the point of the SD card' question, and I still can't find one. Unless you like picking your videos and music by filename instead of preview and album art, or using the very much non-touch UI that is Windows Explorer to store files on the card to open in the similarly non-touch UI that is Office 2013 (except OneNote).
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I'm trying to remember how it worked when I plugged a micro SD card into a pre-release Samsung RT device a couple of weeks back but as I was exhausted and the experience was so unremarkable (easy) I'm really struggling. All I remember is plugging the card in and having video playing a few seconds later :confused:
 
Caged said:
I'm guessing based on the OS launching alongside it designed to run the same apps, yes.

Also has anyone got any information on the on-screen keyboard at all? I can't find anything on the Surface website.
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On my x86 Pro install, it's leaps and bounds better than the Windows 7 one.

There's a few variations of it.
 
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I'm guessing based on the OS launching alongside it designed to run the same apps, yes.
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And there's the problem.

Your guessing based on an OS you haven't used that uses different apps to the ones you have used.

Your basically plucking 'facts' from thin air.

At least when Glaucus doesn't know the answer he uses the best available information from Microsoft sources, rather than just making something up based on his experience of something completely unrelated.

W8 and WRT are 2 different OS's.

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On my x86 Pro install, it's leaps and bounds better than the Windows 7 one.

There's a few variations of it.
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Is there any way to get the touch screen keyboard to appear on a non touch screen device? I've got W8 Preview on my old laptop, but obviously being an old laptop I've only ever used the hardware keyboard.
 
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