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Hey all,
For a while now I have been suffering from what I can only describe as some form of ‘stutter’ or ‘micro-stutter’ across multiple different games (albeit with slight variations in how this issue appears visually) whenever using my mouse in-game, particularly when making rotations. This is even more noticeable when using both my mouse and keyboard to move and rotate around an in-game environment. Using only my keyboard, however, to either move: forwards, backwards, strafe left or right has not produced any problems and programs run very smoothly with none of the aforementioned issues occurring. The same applies for when using an Xbox one controller via physical connection, no issues occur.
I honestly do not know if this is hardware or software related.
This user posted on Tom's that they were suffering from an issue, very similar to what I am currency experiencing, back in 2013: Games stuttering when moving mouse | Tom's Hardware Forum (tomshardware.com) The post above perfectly describes what I am facing. I can’t definitively say that this is technically ‘stutter’ or ‘micro-stutter’ but I can agree that “its this slight tick-tick-tick-tick as [the mouse] moves”, “no jerky uncontrollable movement, just a stuttering”
What makes this most frustrating is that it is subtle but to a degree where it is still definitely impactful on the gameplay experience.
Impacted Games
The issue does vary in how it appears across different titles, for certain games this issue is far more prevalent than for others. Just to provide some more in-depth information I’ll list below all Titles impacted:
These titles don’t appear to have been affected:
I want to include as much potentially helpful info as possible so I will clarify that I have already attempted all suggested fixes in the post above along with numerous others suggestion I have found:
Because of this clean install I do not have: RivaTuner, MSI Afterburner, CPU-Z, GPU-Z or any similar software monitoring my computer as I did previously.
I’ll also include a few other changes I have made in general to the system since the install (I have these all documented on a .txt):
CP: Control Panel
NCP: Nvidia Control Panel
Using 3D mark:
Samsung Magician showed my 870 EVO SSD to be operating as expected.
Pre-existing Issues:
OS: Windows 10 Home
GPU: Asus ROG Strix GTX 1080. GPU boost clock: 1900 MHz
CPU: I7-7700K @ 4.5GHz using “Turbo mode”
Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix Z270F Motherboard
Ram: 16GB of DDR4. Ram speed: 2333MHz
1st SSD: Samsung 870 Evo 500GB
2nd SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 500GB
CPU cooler: Noctua NH-D15
PSU: 850W (80 Plus Gold rated)
Main mouse: Logitech G502 Hero
Second mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum
Monitor: Asus Rog Swift PG279Q 27 (2560 x 1440 resolution @ 144Hz)(100% DPI Scaling)
I will note that the majority of these affected games are stored on my new 870 Evo. (I’ll uninstall WoW and install it onto my 850 Evo to see if that makes any difference)
I will also note that I do have McAfee anti-virus installed and running on my system, I am aware of the issues it can cause but over the 5 or so years I have used McAfee I haven't experienced this issue until now.
Sorry for the mini-essay, just want to pack as much info here as possible as I've been across multiple forums and I've tried multiple solutions. None have really worked.
Any and all help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers, guys
For a while now I have been suffering from what I can only describe as some form of ‘stutter’ or ‘micro-stutter’ across multiple different games (albeit with slight variations in how this issue appears visually) whenever using my mouse in-game, particularly when making rotations. This is even more noticeable when using both my mouse and keyboard to move and rotate around an in-game environment. Using only my keyboard, however, to either move: forwards, backwards, strafe left or right has not produced any problems and programs run very smoothly with none of the aforementioned issues occurring. The same applies for when using an Xbox one controller via physical connection, no issues occur.
I honestly do not know if this is hardware or software related.
This user posted on Tom's that they were suffering from an issue, very similar to what I am currency experiencing, back in 2013: Games stuttering when moving mouse | Tom's Hardware Forum (tomshardware.com) The post above perfectly describes what I am facing. I can’t definitively say that this is technically ‘stutter’ or ‘micro-stutter’ but I can agree that “its this slight tick-tick-tick-tick as [the mouse] moves”, “no jerky uncontrollable movement, just a stuttering”
What makes this most frustrating is that it is subtle but to a degree where it is still definitely impactful on the gameplay experience.
Impacted Games
The issue does vary in how it appears across different titles, for certain games this issue is far more prevalent than for others. Just to provide some more in-depth information I’ll list below all Titles impacted:
- WoW: The issue is incredibly noticeable with a continuous micro-stutter with mouse inputs that is just noticeable enough to be incredibly frustrating. Practically a complete lack of smoothness.
- BeamNG.drive: Problem is highly noticeable
- Minecraft (Java): Problem is highly noticeable
- Call Of Duty Warzone: Stutter isn’t as noticeable but is certainly present
- Automation: Stutter isn’t as noticeable but is certainly present (Especially in relation to background scenery)
- Grand Theft Auto V: Stutter isn’t as noticeable but is certainly present
These titles don’t appear to have been affected:
- Rust
- Minecraft (Bedrock Edition)
- Valorant
I want to include as much potentially helpful info as possible so I will clarify that I have already attempted all suggested fixes in the post above along with numerous others suggestion I have found:
- Tested multiple different DPI and Polling Rates across effected titles
- Ensured mouse is connected directly into the back panel connector
- Used different USB ports, even tried using a USB 2.0 over USB 3.0 to see if it would produce different results
- Tried using a different mouse (Older model Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum)
- Uninstalled and Reinstalled both the mouse driver and Logitech G Hub software
- Tested using the mouse without Logitech G Hub software installed
- Disconnected any additional peripheral devices from computer
- Used different surfaces (Wooden Desk, Corsair MM350, Logitech 840XL)
- Ensured Xbox game bar and Nvidia In-game overlay were disabled
- Ensured that I am running the latest Nvidia GeForce driver (Version 471.41 as of writing this)
- Changed pointer scheme setting to “(None)”
- Deleted Realtek Audio Driver
- Checked that Cortana was still disabled
- Checked that Enhanced pointer precision was still disabled
- Checked all impacted games were updated to latest version
Because of this clean install I do not have: RivaTuner, MSI Afterburner, CPU-Z, GPU-Z or any similar software monitoring my computer as I did previously.
I’ll also include a few other changes I have made in general to the system since the install (I have these all documented on a .txt):
CP: Control Panel
NCP: Nvidia Control Panel
- Installed the latest BIOS version for my motherboard (Version 1301), Model: Asus ROG STRIX Z270F (Pre windows clean install)
- Turned on GPU Scheduling (Win Settings): 05/07/2021
- Turned on “Game mode” (Win Settings)
- Turned off Background app refresh (Win settings)
- Selected “High performance” power option (CP)
- Turned on low latency settings (NCP)
- Set Preferred refresh rate to highest available (NCP)
- Power management mode set to Preferred maximum performance (NCP)
- Fax disabled
- Windows insider service disabled
- Remote desktop configurator disabled
- Touch keyboard configurator disabled
- Application layer gateway service disabled
- Windows image acquisition disabled
- Connected user experience disabled
- Retail demo service disabled
- Windows media network sharing disabled
- AllJoyn router service disabled
- Windows biometric service disabled
- Vertical sync turned on (NCP)
- Set max frame rate to 142FPS (NCP)
- Automation Devs recommended I try disabling Anti-Aliasing, changing this made no difference.
- The WoW forums recommended two different console commands as well as “/script SetCVar("rawMouseEnable", 1)” to enable/disable raw mouse input. This did not resolve the issue (However I doubt this worked as checking the WoW Config.wtf did not show any additions or changes)
Using 3D mark:
- Timespy showed average performance results relative to similar systems
- Stress test stability percentage exceeded 98% and didn’t throw up any concerns
- CPU Specific testing didn’t come up with anything particularly concerning
- PCIE Express feature test showed bandwidth to be 3.06GB/s
Samsung Magician showed my 870 EVO SSD to be operating as expected.
Pre-existing Issues:
- My GPU (An Asus ROG STRIX GTX1080) has had difficulty constantly outputting whenever connected to the top PCIE slot of my motherboard. Having the GPU connected to the bottom PCIE slot on my motherboard seems to have resolved the issue. Checking both the GPU and PCIE slot hasn’t revealed any apparent damage to points of connection. Perhaps this is somehow linked to my issue? I can’t be sure as, again, this only occurs when using my mouse.
- Despite specifically returning my GPU to default settings via MSI Afterburner, my GPU still appears to run 200 MHz over the standard 1733 MHz Boost clock specified on the Asus website.
OS: Windows 10 Home
GPU: Asus ROG Strix GTX 1080. GPU boost clock: 1900 MHz
CPU: I7-7700K @ 4.5GHz using “Turbo mode”
Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix Z270F Motherboard
Ram: 16GB of DDR4. Ram speed: 2333MHz
1st SSD: Samsung 870 Evo 500GB
2nd SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 500GB
CPU cooler: Noctua NH-D15
PSU: 850W (80 Plus Gold rated)
Main mouse: Logitech G502 Hero
Second mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum
Monitor: Asus Rog Swift PG279Q 27 (2560 x 1440 resolution @ 144Hz)(100% DPI Scaling)
I will note that the majority of these affected games are stored on my new 870 Evo. (I’ll uninstall WoW and install it onto my 850 Evo to see if that makes any difference)
I will also note that I do have McAfee anti-virus installed and running on my system, I am aware of the issues it can cause but over the 5 or so years I have used McAfee I haven't experienced this issue until now.
Sorry for the mini-essay, just want to pack as much info here as possible as I've been across multiple forums and I've tried multiple solutions. None have really worked.
Any and all help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers, guys