Milo/UC Berkley protestors stop 'hate speech' by using violence and hate...
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You have far too much faith in the criminal justice system.
For instance several under age kids have been prosecuted for producing child pornography for sending nude selfies to thier partners...who where then charged with possesing child pornography.
Lives utterly destroyed forever because prosecutors and judges are not "in thier right mind".
Oh to add to the absolute hilarity of the situation.
They charged the kids as adults...
Soldato
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I support the current age of consent laws and believe that anyone breaking them should be punished by the law. However, as Milo correctly said, you are not a paedophile if you are attracted to a sexually developed girl or boy under the age of consent. Paedophiles are attracted to individuals who are not sexually developed and that is why it so abhorrent and deserving of moral indignation. Once someone has gone through puberty and effectively reached young adulthood in terms of sexual characteristics, then it's entirely natural someone may find them attractive. That is how nature works, it's normal.
Our age of consent in the UK reflects the point where most people will have gone through the lions share of that development and I think it's about right. But obviously in much of Europe the age of consent is 14. To call someone who is sexually attracted to a 15 year old a pedo seems a bit off. That said I'd not fight too hard on that issue since the fear of that label is probably what discourages many people from breaking the law.
Our age of consent in the UK reflects the point where most people will have gone through the lions share of that development and I think it's about right. But obviously in much of Europe the age of consent is 14. To call someone who is sexually attracted to a 15 year old a pedo seems a bit off. That said I'd not fight too hard on that issue since the fear of that label is probably what discourages many people from breaking the law.
Please explain how taking away *anybody's* freedom of speech helps either prevent crime, or helps victims of crime?
I know we have laws against hate speech, but we don't take away freedom of speech as a punishment for any criminal act, that I know of.
I'm really not sure why you would want to shut down discussion. Or shut down those with extreme views. Give them the rope, let them hang themselves (figuratively) with what they say. I just don't get how taking away freedom of speech constitutes protection, for any group of people, against harm?
You clearly arnt very familar with the band or the sub genre as a whole.Marduk's lyrical content may contain many references to WW2 from a german perspective,but its definatly not 'pro nazi' or glorifying those views.One thing they defiantly are however is vehemently anti religion
They have been touring worldwide for about 20 years but now all of a sudden now they promoting pro-nazi messages? They are just being targeted by people who see what they want to see and have something to outraged about.It would be fine if they forced cancellations or protested bands with overtly legitimate extremist views,but thats not whats happening here.
NSBM is a thing,but its very fringe,extremely marginalized and is looked down upon by the community as a whole and is shunned when it comes to festivals and major tours.
The metal community overall is an extremely liberal in the classical sense
Please read the thread.
He was clearly trying to discuss sex with underage boys and how it can be good. There is a big difference between what George is saying happened to him, and Milo saying what happened to him, and then going on to try and start a discussion as if sex with underage boys is not a black and white thing.
Agreed, disgusting that things like this happen. From what I gather its normally based on prosecutors trying to secure a conviction because on paper it looks good to lock people up and their conviction rates go up, meaning statistically they are more successful, we need to take away incentives for jailing people and need judges who can correctly apply discretion. A very difficult thing to improve sadly, especially with a private prison system that wants more people jailed for profit.
You clearly arnt very familar with the band or the sub genre as a whole.Marduk's lyrical content may contain many references to WW2 from a german perspective,but its definatly not 'pro nazi' or glorifying those views.One thing they defiantly are however is vehemently anti religion
They have been touring worldwide for about 20 years but now all of a sudden now they promoting pro-nazi messages? They are just being targeted by people who see what they want to see and have something to outraged about.It would be fine if they forced cancellations or protested bands with overtly legitimate extremist views,but thats not whats happening here.
NSBM is a thing,but its very fringe,extremely marginalized and is looked down upon by the community as a whole and is shunned when it comes to festivals and major tours.
The metal community overall is an extremely liberal in the classical sense
All of a sudden, that thread was from 2004, 13 years ago dude...
But no, im not familiar with the black metal genre, im just familiar with hating nazi's and nazi sympathisers, and if the kind of posters who I quoted are upset that the show is being protested, then that's who the anti fash are there to target. If they are not Nazi sympathisers, then I am sure a statement will come forth soon and anyone at their concerts or expressing nazi views whilst supporting them will be quickly dealt with by people who justifiably hate nazi's, and hate that they are trying to take over their bands fan base.
I don't know anything about BM or Sabaton, but I do enjoy winding you up and your responses to me, so if I see an opportunity I'll go for it
So with no evidence or reason other than some random 13 year old forum post you assume they are nazi's because some other random rage merchant has declared them so Lol ok.Its as if you have no idea what your talking about
Did you even read the statement i posted?The gig isnt cancelled because of the bands 'nazi sympathys' or hate speech,its because the venue is terrified for the safety of its patrons and staff due to irrational riots/violent protests caused by antifa protestors similar to what was seen at Berkley.
The fact that the threat of anitfa showing up to protest something regardless of the legitimacy of said protest forces an event to be cancelled due to likelihood of violence should be pretty worrying to anyone.Or at the very least be able to see the irony in it
Also seen the band before myself,no obvious or self declared Nazi's there,seeing them again in April xD
Man of Honour
I'd suggest you take your own advice, but I think ignorance of the subject isn't the root of your passionate advocacy of authoritarianism and oppression by violence and murder. I'm not sure if you're really as bad as your posts make out or if you're trolling, but I am sure you know what you're doing when you write untrue statements like this:
Taking partial sentences from different parts of an interview and patching them together to create a false impression of what was said is bad enough (and that's what the text you quoted did), but you unsurprisingly take it much further.
Are you really unaware that the ideology you are advocating is very clearly fascist and apparently based on the Nazis in the 1920s and very early 1930s, i.e. before they got enough power to do what they wanted to do? Irrational prejudices, extreme authoritarianism, lust for power, lust for violence, use of violence to gain power and suppress opposition, fantasies of murdering everyone who doesn't wholly submit, wild accusations to "justify" the violence and death threats...are you really unaware of the similarities when they're so blatant?
Soldato
he made a living out of being abusive and trolling people, often people who were victims themselves
his statement making himself out to be some sort of victim is richly ironic, some would say its karma
his statement making himself out to be some sort of victim is richly ironic, some would say its karma
Soldato
I think applying any kind of Left/Right spectrum to them is incorrect, they are neither I think if they were a D&D character they would be classed as Chaotic Neutral
Going back to a slightly older post but am catching up and the above caught my eye. Traditionally there has been a political doctrine that fuses both Right wing and Left wing ideologies and beliefs. Interestingly that doctrine is Fascism.
Again, my comments were at him saying consent should be considered on a case-by-case basis, EVEN if the child is under the legal age. That's something I vehemently disagree with. I'm also not saying he is an advocate for child rape as a lot of people are doing, but he needs to be called out for inappropriate comments.
Soldato
Sorry, but I find these two sentences next to each other unintentionally hilarious. (Not in a bad way!)
so a 15 year 11 month old boy and his 16 year old 2 month GF of the past 5 years have sex.
should she be charged as a child rapists and jailed?
or should it be taken on a case by case basis?
Sorry, but I find these two sentences next to each other unintentionally hilarious. (Not in a bad way!)
Oops... forgot about that :|
Soldato
Isn't in the US they look at cases on a variable age difference.. so if your 5 years older than the person then you are charged? something like that, even though they still have a set age of consent.
Soldato
I'd like to examine your analogy of the transexual insisting they get to use the women's facilities to race and Black people. By your analogy, if I take it as written, you're arguing that a White person who made themselves look Black would then get to qualify as Black. You don Black-face (though perhaps in a less silly form such as injecting your skin with pigments) and now you're Black? I'm not necessarily arguing you wouldn't be - race is a very superficial thing - but I'm pointing out that using your analogy a lot of Black people would be very angry and refuse to accept the person who had physically altered themselves as actually a member of that race. Same as women don't necessarily want a man walking into the women's changing rooms because they are or intend to or think of themselves as a woman. I'm not necessarily in this instance arguing one way or another, I'm just pointing out the implications of your analogy.